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Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by projectramo on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @09:38AM (#11814212)
Well, I don't really see Bezos' defense of the decision to buy the Washington Post, because I don't see a critique of the decision.

The presumption here is that there was some kind of implicit criticism, but I don't really see that.

Trump did attack Bezos, but that was not for buying it. (If I recall correctly, it was some convoluted theory about Bezos worrying Trump would increase his tax burden).

Is there a critique that Bezos should have let the Washington Post collapse rather than buy it?

Have there been any reports that he is exerting editorial influence?

Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by jamesfe on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @09:59AM (#11814364)
As a Washington DC resident, I will say I've read the post since around the late 1990's. Although it's never really been a beacon of fine journalism, it was a pretty dependable paper - lately though the articles have titles that are oriented towards generating clicks rather than providing valuable journalism.

Rumor from the WaPo staff is that there is a strong emphasis on building web traffic and revenue, I assume that this is the cause for articles that are less relevant to an informed understanding of the world and more relevant to entertaining the reader's desires.

It doesn't take too much reason to imagine that if Amazon can predict and suggest products that you may enjoy (and purchase) then they will predict and suggest stories that you may enjoy (and load advertisements with them). It's part of a growing internet-wide trend to provide a constant flow of agreeable, "interesting" content that is tailed for you, as a unit of data, versus you as a human desiring a balanced view of the world (to include opinions not of your own vein).

However - I do agree that the article has not delved into this.

Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by slaunchwise on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @10:38AM (#11814641)
"Although it's never really been a beacon of fine journalism"

Sorry, can't let this go unchallenged. WaPo was THE beacon of fine journalism for decades. Life existed before the 90s.

Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by scott_s on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @11:01AM (#11814831)
Agreed. This is the paper that Woodward and Bernstein worked for when they investigated and broke the Watergate story: http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/exhibitions/web/woodstein/
Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by danso on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @11:22AM (#11815072)
And even in the 00s, pre-Bezos, it was hitting stuff out of the park:

2014 - Stop and Seize -- this series about police confiscating hundreds of millions of dollars from motorists without charging crimes was a hugely eye-opening piece of investigative journalism...was widely discussed on HN too, IIRC: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/collection/st...

2013 - The WaPo shared in the Snowden-related Pulitzer, but on its own, I feel that it did some of the best work off of the material -- both in a technical and journalistic sense, including this one about NSA infiltrating Google data centers: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-i...

2010 - Top Secret America -- this to me was a highly underrated project that attempted to expose how utterly out-of-control and ungainly America's national security apparatus is. If you read it before the Snowden revelations, you probably would have just nodded your head: http://projects.washingtonpost.com/top-secret-america/

And many more...It's unfortunate that a lot of resources are now being poured into aggregate-Upworthy-baity-headline crap...but honestly, even that material is pretty good. It's just super unfortunate that their headline writer has completely engorged themselves on social media marketing. WaPo truly has some of the worst headlines of any professional publication today.

edit: as an example of some of the great work under the "PostEverything" banner, which seems like kind of the WaPo's attempt to compete with Vox/BuzzFeed/Daily Mail...I bookmarked this piece from a widow trying to explain how "the second year without my husband is in some ways harder than the first"...one of the few non-technical bookmarks on my Pinboard. In retrospect, the headline isn't bad, but the writing is still profound...I've actually been visiting WaPo via URL directly just to see what guest columns have been published...just need a plugin to hide the headlines: https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/11/04/...

Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by mtgx on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @12:44PM (#11815918)
Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by at-fates-hands on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @11:33AM (#11815185)
>> WaPo truly has some of the worst headlines of any professional publication today.

Are you including the UK publications in this comment? Their headlines put the US ones to shame most of the time.

Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by danso on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @11:56AM (#11815439)
Well, I do think that I suffer from a bit of British-envy...years of Monty Python/Peep Show/Ricky Gervais/Malcolm Tucker have conditioned me to think that the British are the superior culture when it comes to wit.

I honestly can't think of many times when a UK headline has annoyed me in the way the Wapo does. Probably the worst offender is the Daily Mail, but they're merely artless in how they try to cram the entire article into a headline. Sample from today: "Moment of revenge: Husband is caught on surveillance footage brutally beating his wife's would-be rapist to death with a tire iron as he tried to flee NY apartment while still pulling up his pants"

But the Wapo goes beyond artless, and right into the mindset of "our readers must be fucking dumb to not be clicking on our stories in droves. Let's explain to them why they should be clicking on our stories!"

- "Trump announced his gifts to veterans. Here’s what we learned."

- "Cancer deaths rose during the recession. But why?"

- "The world is about to install 700 million air conditioners. Here’s what that means for the climate"

- "This might be the darkest theory yet about why Donald Trump keeps winning"

The one advantage of newspaper print is that, compared to webserver space, it's very finite, which means that if a story was worthy enough to have hundreds of barrels of ink tapped to make it physical, then it was a story implicitly worth the reader's time. I guess now that you can just slap anything onto a website that headlines need to be written ("X and Y happened yesterday. Here's why it's important") as if readers now automatically assume that all webstories are without value, and thus need to be constantly reminded that some stories are worth clicking through.

Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by pault on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @01:44PM (#11816525)
While your criticism stands, I think the reasoning behind the click-bait headlines isn't "our readers need to be reminded that this is worth reading", but an exploitation of human curiosity: if the headline contains an implicit question, the reader is compelled to click through to discover the answer. It's annoying, but I guess it works, since Buzzfeed continues to exist.
Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by TheOtherHobbes on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @01:38PM (#11816451)
Today's DM also has:

- Royal Navy cadet, 27, who had oral sex with guest at college dinner dance later raped another woman in her cabin after telling he was going to 'f* her brains out'

- Woman teacher is burned alive 'by her boss' after she turned down a marriage proposal from his son in Pakistan

- The Home Office farce that will make your blood boil: Hard-working family who run Monarch of the Glen shop are ordered to leave Britain, but a convicted Iraqi child abuser and an Albanian killer can stay

- Dalai Lama says 'Germany cannot become an Arab country' as he warns that Europe has taken 'too many' migrants

It's Buzzfeed for pensioners whose hearing is so bad they only respond to wolf calls and dog whistles.

Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by massysett on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @10:22AM (#11814535)
I started reading the Post regularly after moving to the DC area in 2001. Over the past ten years the paper has been garbage. It regularly promotes tabloid "news" that is of no consequence but that, I suppose, they believe gathers page views. Other stories are riddled with factual errors--just recently I read a story that got the numbers wrong in a House committee roll call vote.

The paper routinely infuriated me so I stopped reading it (except when I have to for my job, which is how I am aware of the recent factual error.)

I have seen some of the poor quality under Bezos, but to be fair I can't tell whether it has gotten better or worse because I am so disgusted with their reputation that I generally just don't read it.

Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by zjaffee on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @12:53PM (#11815995)
While yes, the Washington Post has become more focused on new media, its really only them and the NYTimes that have successfully transitioned (as much as one could really expect) into new media.

The websites and mobile apps for these companies are awesome, especially compared to many TV channels and other old newspapers.

Additionally, in todays day and age, its clickbait that pays the bills, but that doesn't mean that it takes away from real journalism, you just have to recognize that not ever article will be as high quality. Movie Production companies have been doing this forever, I.E. Cars 2 pays for Inside Out. Even Buzzfeed has real journalism tucked in there.

Its sad, but quality journalism both makes less money and costs more to produce, and budgets for these stories have to come from somewhere.

Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by anotherhacker on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @11:30AM (#11815158)
To be fair, this has affected all publications. E.g. The Economist and New York Times.

Also, "yellow journalism" is nothing new. It's a big reason why William Randolph Hearst became a gazillionair all those years ago.

Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by danielweber on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @11:15AM (#11814989)
Are there editors at the Washington Post? I wrote in about some questions about an article, and no one responded. Not even a form letter.
Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by samstave on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @10:33AM (#11814604)
Didn't cmdr_taco go work there some time ago? What happened to him?
Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by snowwrestler on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @12:17PM (#11815644)
He went to go work for a "labs" type startup that borrowed the Post's name, which I believe was not included in the sale to Bezos.
Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by nxzero on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @10:02AM (#11814392)
WaPo is dead; RIP.
Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by baldfat on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @10:53AM (#11814772)
Every criticism on the Washington Post can be used against 99% of Newspapers in America. The transition to web has been rough and the ability to still turn a profit for a for profit business is difficult. I think the New York Times has done the best so far and Wall Street Journal is the industry leader. I can't think of a single example of doing a better job minus NYT and WSJ.
Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by nxzero on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @11:23AM (#11815082)
A paper "transitioning" has nothing to do with if the spirit of the paper is alive; aka WaPo spirit is dead, company lives on.

99% of the papers in the US are trash; the fact that you'd compare WaPo to them speaks to your knowledge of the industry and WaPo itself.

Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by baldfat on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @12:01PM (#11815492)
> the fact that you'd compare WaPo to them speaks to your knowledge of the industry and WaPo itself.

Someone is emotional?

Washington Post is in trouble like the rest of the newspapers in American deserves this response?

Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by nxzero on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @01:22PM (#11816275)
How many papers have you read the staff written content from, what news did they cover, what was the quality of that content on average, etc.?
Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by baldfat on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @01:43PM (#11816507)
I got a big 4.0 in my Undergraduate Degree and was Valedictorian. I had to studied two dead languages and had all my last 30 credits from Graduate Level classwork. I scored in the top 90% on the GRE and MAT test.

Wow guess that is also not important about the general decline of Newspapers and their business models.

This is a easy observation on the decline of journalism and newspapers. Unless you deem everyone unable to form a observation on general newspapers?

Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by nxzero on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @02:55PM (#11817155)
Please be honest, do you even know what you're talking about?

If so, click reply, without using any additional resources and tell me why 99% of papers are declining - and why WaPo was different than 99% of papers.

I do know that most people don't why, or for that matter, care.

Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by baldfat on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @06:03PM (#11818591)
Instead of being condescending why don't you just state your opinion and not just be like "I am the smarts S-M-A-T Doh!"
Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by nxzero on Thursday June 02, 2016 @06:17AM (#11821414)
I did state my opinion, WaPo is dead.
Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by baldfat on Thursday June 02, 2016 @08:21AM (#11821882)
I was all excited for the climatic ending and it ended on a whimper.
Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by nxzero on Thursday June 02, 2016 @11:13AM (#11823098)
Were you replying to my comment... or sharing?
Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by baldfat on Thursday June 02, 2016 @01:31PM (#11824395)
Sharing that your communication style is condescending and lacking in substance. Maybe this will help you to communicate better?
Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by Someone1234 on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @10:11AM (#11814460)
There is a widespread belief (real or perceived) that he has turned the newspaper into effectively a SuperPac for a specific candidate (to help them in the primary and general).

But what is definitely true is that the quality at the Washington Post has taken a nose dive. They often post click-bait headlines with thin articles that are first to market but now often contain mistakes or misinformation.

The Washington Post used to be one of the most trusted papers in the country, with long wordy articles, that appeared later than others but were able to give you the whole story rather than just knee jerk early reactions.

It always had a liberal/democrat bias. But not quite this bad and not quite for one specific candidate over others.

Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by TillE on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @10:25AM (#11814560)
This isn't the worst article of the election cycle from a major newspaper, but it surely deserves some kind of award for "worst application of data journalism":

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/18/be...

Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by tamana on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @11:56AM (#11815446)
Gotta give them credit for adding a disclaimer at the top, saying they admit article is trash.
Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by diydsp on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @10:06AM (#11814420)
The traditional American media control strategy is containment. In this model, discussion is directed around a tiny subset of the issues. The presumed issue here being "Won't Bezos quash articles critical of him?" but that's only for containment purposes. While that merits an amount of debate, the bigger story here is much more interesting. It concerns the potential for intense collaboration between the government and industry, as seen in countries such as Italy during the Berlusconi years (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvio_Berlusconi).

From the article: "...he bought the newspaper because he wanted to make it into a more powerful national — and even global — publication, and that The Post was well situated to be a watchdog over the leaders of the world’s most powerful country."

This is a strategic move that doesn't have anything to do with classic American values of freedom of speech and access to information. It's about increasing his power, not about journalistic values such as improving the quality of the newspaper, researching stories better, etc. Bezos isn't a career journalist or editor at all. He has no qualifications or experience to perform these functions. His only qualification is wads of money and business leadership. But just like presidency, these don't prepare one for civic leadership. They don't replace historical, world or legal knowledge.

I don't trust how he feels he can suddenly serve as "watchdog" over leaders when he really only has (massively!) large-scale retail experience. It's more likely a Caesar-style move to grab the role of Pontifex to broker power. When he talks about "watchdog over leaders," I feel he means leaders will have to curry favor with him to get topics presented in the proper way, as opposed to using the paper as an instrument for fighting Congress for better working conditions, higher minimum wage, working visa reform, immigration reform, etc.

So, this NYT article follows tightly the trend of containment outlined by Chomsky and Zinn, in which discussion is focused by presentation of minor, distracting points in order to draw energy away from the more salient points. The minor point being the newspaper's ability to criticize its own editor. The larger point being a business leader steering the publication of information toward large-scale corporate ends and away from classic American values.

Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by GCA10 on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @10:33AM (#11814607)
Hello? Peel back the calendar, decade by decade, and tell me if you can ever find an era where information publishers were owned by people who were truly pure of heart. It's always been an industry that attracts rich folks with egos.

Hearst? Henry Luce? Col. McCormick (Chicago Tribune and the aptly named WGN broadcasting properties, for World's Greatest Newspaper)? Ted Turner/CNN? Folks like Joseph Pulitzer tidied up their reputations at the end. But when they were at their prime, they hustled the system as well as anyone.

At least Bezos (and Omidyar) are putting capital into an industry that's generally been bled for dividends and slowly liquidated. No publication is perfect. No owner comes close. But as long as lots of different outlets present different versions of what's going on, a lot of valuable information gradually makes its way into the public domain.

Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by shimon_e on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @11:15AM (#11814998)
Trump's comments on Bezos / Washington Post: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD22O0y5VV0&feature=youtu.be...
Re:Jeff Bezos Defends Decision to Buy Washington Post by peterkshultz on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @10:30AM (#11814588)
No reports that I know of, no. Trump threw the accusation, however:

"Trump...accused Mr. Bezos of dodging corporate taxes and abusing his position as owner of The Post to launch personal attacks and to keep lawmakers from scrutinizing Amazon"