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Re:Moving Forward on Basic Income by rsync on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @05:16PM (#11810320)
"No. In most countries of the world, including the United states, limited social benefits exist. It is sometimes messy, it is sometimes unfair. But they are reality."

Yes, that is exactly my point and it is from knowledge of the US systems especially that that point is informed.

It is my contention that they don't work - not just practically, on the ground, but even theoretically.

Re:Moving Forward on Basic Income by konschubert on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @07:27PM (#11811077)
Well, they aren't perfect.

But it doesn't mean that they don't work at all. You are dismissing them because they aren't working perfectly. And I am saying that it is wrong to dismiss something just because it isn't perfect, especially if there is no better alternative.