Re:Effort to Expose Russia’s ‘Troll Army’ Draws Vicious Reta...
by guard-of-terra on Tuesday May 31, 2016 @08:24AM
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They were certainly influenced to unhealthy degree, but those were still national countries represented by people of their nations. I imagine Soviets just took leading Polish/Hungarian/etc communist parties and made them the government. They still were Poles/Hungarians/etc.
In 1968, Albania withdrew from Warsaw pact. And that was it.
Re:Effort to Expose Russia’s ‘Troll Army’ Draws Vicious Reta...
by fauigerzigerk on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @03:35AM
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The people of those countries were never asked who they wanted to represent them. So there were no representatives.
Re:Effort to Expose Russia’s ‘Troll Army’ Draws Vicious Reta...
by guard-of-terra on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @04:29AM
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So you think that any non-democratic country is totally irresponsible for what happens inside?
This in the world where China and Saudi Arabia are top players.
Re:Effort to Expose Russia’s ‘Troll Army’ Draws Vicious Reta...
by fauigerzigerk on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @12:40PM
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I would not characterise the actions of undemocratic regimes as representing the "will of the country".
The fact that we accept undemocratic regimes as legal representatives of their countries for pragmatic reasons doesn't change that.
Re:Effort to Expose Russia’s ‘Troll Army’ Draws Vicious Reta...
by guard-of-terra on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @05:15PM
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Then you should totally stop blaming Russians. Who were under undemocratic regime while a part of another entity (USSR).
Re:Effort to Expose Russia’s ‘Troll Army’ Draws Vicious Reta...
by fauigerzigerk on Wednesday June 01, 2016 @06:28PM
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I'm not blaming the Russian people. I'm blaming the USSR, that is the regime in power at the time.
I guess what went wrong in this debate - and it was my fault as well - is that for a democratic country, we can often get away with using sloppy language that conflates "country" and "people". But for undemocratic regimes, that no longer works.
That's because these "representatives" were not representing the people of their countries. They were representing the interests of the USSR in those countries.
I'll give you an example of what it looks like when something does not happen against the will of a country.
In the 1960s, at the hight of the cold war, France asked NATO to leave its country and withdrew its own troups from NATO command. NATO left, and that was it.