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Re:How Not to Explain Success by BurningFrog on Monday May 30, 2016 @03:15AM (#11800029)
Intelligence isn't very hard to measure. The methods to test it are quite mature.

They do not involve asking people how intelligent they think they are, which is the only way Dunning-Kruger would influence the results.

Re:How Not to Explain Success by coldtea on Monday May 30, 2016 @07:53AM (#11800841)
>Intelligence isn't very hard to measure. The methods to test it are quite mature.

On the contrary. A lot of the standard methods are crude and coarse measures of intelligence.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/12/121219133334.h...

Re:How Not to Explain Success by reitanqild on Monday May 30, 2016 @09:38AM (#11801252)
Good ones (consistent, calibrated) seems to exist but yes, I have read on HN about people being asked about American history under the guise of "IQ test".
Re:How Not to Explain Success by s_q_b on Monday May 30, 2016 @11:06AM (#11801635)
That's a pretty bold statement, considering that it's currently unknown whether general "intelligence", or g, even exists.
Re:How Not to Explain Success by dragonwriter on Monday May 30, 2016 @12:06PM (#11801914)
It's reasonably consistently measurable and has demonstrated correlations with both causative factors and outcomes. You can legitimately question the nature of what is being measured, but it's obviously something real (even if it's a composite).
Re:How Not to Explain Success by reitanqild on Monday May 30, 2016 @11:23AM (#11801715)
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> ... whether general "intelligence", or g, even exists.

I'm talking about the one that is for example measured in standardized IQ tests.

Re:How Not to Explain Success by Terr_ on Monday May 30, 2016 @11:46AM (#11801831)
That's a little bit circular, though: "Intelligence is what is measured by an intelligence test."
Re:How Not to Explain Success by xapata on Monday May 30, 2016 @11:49AM (#11801845)
And he is saying the IQ test measures very little, though the test appears at least to be self-consistent.
Re:How Not to Explain Success by ZenoArrow on Monday May 30, 2016 @07:15AM (#11800741)
> "Intelligence isn't very hard to measure. The methods to test it are quite mature."

Intelligence is a measure of aptitude, but aptitude applies to a broad range of activity, and not all aptitude is numerically quantifiable (in any meaningful sense, at least). For example, two broad categories of intelligence are academic intelligence and emotional intelligence. Excellence in one field does not necessarily transfer to all fields, otherwise socially gifted people would always make the best academic students, and from personal observation I can see this doesn't tie up with reality.

Re:How Not to Explain Success by ArkyBeagle on Monday May 30, 2016 @11:41AM (#11801804)
The methods to test intelligence is apparently all there is of it. We know we can make tests that curve-fit to a normal distribution but beyond that, we know nearly nothing of it.