Re:Challenging the myth that the rich are specially-talented...
by aoeusnth1 on Sunday May 29, 2016 @01:12PM
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For your last point, I would also add that the sale of such a income stream is a private consentual business relationship. Neither the seller or the buyer is being exploited. I feel like communists like the author simply don't understand the time value of money.
Re:Challenging the myth that the rich are specially-talented...
by golergka on Sunday May 29, 2016 @01:04PM
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There's one thing this communist logic doesn't take into account: risk. Ownership and risk are inherently tied to one another. Thinking only about scenarios where this risk already passed and then calling owners "parasites" is survivorship bias in the purest form.
Re:Challenging the myth that the rich are specially-talented...
by ommunist on Sunday May 29, 2016 @01:46PM
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Communists took ultimate risk when they risked their lives overthrowing capitalism as a system, being it Russia in 1917 or Cuba in 1953.
Re:Challenging the myth that the rich are specially-talented...
by golergka on Sunday May 29, 2016 @03:28PM
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That statement's not entirely factually correct, lies by omission, but most importantly, doesn't have anything to do with the risk in question.
Re:Challenging the myth that the rich are specially-talented...
by ommunist on Sunday May 29, 2016 @03:47PM
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Sure thing. A sparrow bravely takes risk of competition for food among other sparrows. And this is not that exact risk the hawks take.
Re:Challenging the myth that the rich are specially-talented...
by wtbob on Sunday May 29, 2016 @08:30PM
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Communists slew far more anti-Communists than anti-Communists slew Communists, by orders of magnitude. Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, Ho: all killed far more after they took power than were killed by those they overthrew.
Re:Challenging the myth that the rich are specially-talented...
by maxerickson on Sunday May 29, 2016 @12:57PM
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Rent seeking is jargon. It doesn't refer to running a business.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_rent
It refers to the economic consequences of things like regulatory capture and corruption.
Re:Challenging the myth that the rich are specially-talented...
by force_reboot on Sunday May 29, 2016 @01:13PM
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You are are applying the standard definition of rent/rent seeking used by economists. But MichaelBurge's post is using the language of the original article, which claims that renting out an apartment, or making capital gains from a business, "rent seeking".
So MichaelBurge is making a valid critique of the original article, whether or not the article was correct in using the term "rent seeking"
Re:Challenging the myth that the rich are specially-talented...
by aoeusnth1 on Sunday May 29, 2016 @01:10PM
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The original article is naively expanding the definition to include simply "owning things which are worth money/time", i.e. the time value of money is somehow rent-seeking corruption.
If I bought some land, built a windmill with my bare hands out of stone and wood that I cut and shopped myself, and became the flour producer for the entire region, people tend to say it's a deserved reward.
If I bought that company, paid people to do all the work setting up a dozen more windmills, paid people to manage the new bigger company, and then sold it again to the highest bidder, now suddenly I'm rent-seeking and profiting off of the poor. Even if those things wouldn't have gotten done without this intervention.
It's like a Ship of Theseus: If you split up the flour company into its constituent pieces and slowly hire other people to do them, at what point does it become unethical rent-seeking?
Even someone who buys an income stream solely to ride it out with the minimum amount of maintenance is at least taking a risk to their capital. And even if they protect it with an insurance policy or similar, they're at least locking up the money for a dedicated purpose usually for an extended period of time. People are often afraid of taking risk or limiting their options, so people who do so are providing some value.