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Re:4 bit computer built from discrete transistors by TheOtherHobbes on Friday May 27, 2016 @07:51PM (#11789894)
For some reason it took 90 years for Boolean switched hardware to appear - originally invented by Shannon in the US and Zuse in Germany in the late 1930s.

It's interesting to wonder why it took so long, and what would have happened if it had been invented much earlier.

The first may have been because Boolean algebra was very obscure and unlikely to cross the path of the electromechanical and telegraph engineers who worked with relays.

The second I can't even begin to speculate about - although the first FET was patented in 1925, so in theory it would have been possible to build a solid state computer not long after.

Re:4 bit computer built from discrete transistors by abecedarius on Saturday May 28, 2016 @08:53AM (#11791465)
Charles Peirce also had the idea in the 1880s, but he didn't publish it. (There were a couple of others in the 1930s who did, but were unfortunate enough to not be Shannon.)

http://libweb5.princeton.edu/visual_materials/pulc/pulc_v_45... from page 186 has the story about Peirce.

Re:4 bit computer built from discrete transistors by wycx on Friday May 27, 2016 @11:40PM (#11790491)
The idea of the transistor was patented in 1926, but it took all the hard work of making a transistor by the Bell Labs team for discrete transistors to become a reality.

See [1] for an excellent summary of the birth of the transistor.

[1] http://www.amazon.com/Crystal-Fire-Transistor-Information-Te...

Re:4 bit computer built from discrete transistors by jrapdx3 on Saturday May 28, 2016 @12:17AM (#11790561)
The book you reference is no doubt a lot more thorough, but the wikipedia article is a pretty good brief overview: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_transistor
Re:4 bit computer built from discrete transistors by 13of40 on Saturday May 28, 2016 @02:29AM (#11790799)
Let me don my tinfoil hat and say that one of the major functions of a computer back then was fire control for artillery, later seconded only by cracking Axis encryption. Maybe anyone who tried to source 10,000 reliable relays in 1938 got a knock on their door...

[tinfoil hat off]

Re:4 bit computer built from discrete transistors by cpayne on Saturday May 28, 2016 @09:05AM (#11791497)
I don't think that is as crazy as it sounds. Remember, back then, the commercial potential of a "computer" was for the military.

Even if you had the idea & concept back then, AND the money to build it - what would you do with it? You're not using it like we use computers today...

Re:4 bit computer built from discrete transistors by bashinator on Sunday May 29, 2016 @07:36PM (#11798753)
Certainly artillery. Could a ground density measure have been made with 1800s tech? I think probably.
Re:4 bit computer built from discrete transistors by jrapdx3 on Saturday May 28, 2016 @12:11AM (#11790549)
The story of the FET is interesting. Patented in 1925 and 1928 by Lilienfeld, the invention wasn't implemented until the 1940's. Researchers at Bell Labs, Shockley and Pearson, build operational devices based on Lilienfeld's work, but never acknowledged the Lilienfeld FET in their published reports.

FET production began in the 1950's when supporting technologies became available. Later on in the 1990's the original FET designs were implemented and produced working devices.

Surprising how old many technologies really are. As with the FET it can take a long time before inventions or discoveries can be realized and put to good use.

Re:4 bit computer built from discrete transistors by JoeAltmaier on Saturday May 28, 2016 @07:30AM (#11791292)
And photography came of age in the 1840's. We could have had something like integrated circuits shortly after. What a world that would have been with steam power and solid state calculating engines!
Re:4 bit computer built from discrete transistors by j1vms on Saturday May 28, 2016 @09:57AM (#11791670)
Though keeping in mind that solid state semiconductor physics is based heavily in quantum mechanics which probably wasn't 'sufficient' & more widely accepted until the late 1920s or 1930s, the earliest the transistor could have been invented was just pre-WW2. We were really quite far off from QM for most of the 19th century.
Re:4 bit computer built from discrete transistors by JoeAltmaier on Saturday May 28, 2016 @10:07AM (#11791702)
Everything depends on QM, but you don't have to understand that to make use of it. Just laying out massive circuits on film would have made computation possible a century earlier?
Re:4 bit computer built from discrete transistors by j1vms on Saturday May 28, 2016 @10:21AM (#11791743)
For example, the distances between source and drain in a transistor are based on factors like electron/hole mobility, minority carrier recombination in the gate, which are probabilistic and can be calculated using equations which would only have been known through quantum physics. Without QM, the challenge would be akin to reliably building a skyscraper in the Middle Ages (prior to Newtonian physics). Of course, that is why the pyramids are Wonders of the World, though we are able to see the Egyptians had some of the necessary mathematics and understanding of physics for that.
Re:4 bit computer built from discrete transistors by schoen on Saturday May 28, 2016 @11:53AM (#11792084)
Can you discover appropriate distances by trial and error without having a good theory that predicts them from first principles?
Re:4 bit computer built from discrete transistors by j1vms on Saturday May 28, 2016 @01:03PM (#11792357)
If someone were to provide you with variously doped n-type, p-type semiconductor, with enough time you could make a transistor by trial and error. The key I guess is that you probably wouldn't have considered using (or even had for that matter) n-/p-type material unless you had a background in solid state physics in an industrial lab in the 1940s (i.e. everyone associated with Shockley). But at that point, and being in such an organization, wisely you'd be inclined to work out the math & science first on blackboards, and thus economize your limited person-hours and R&D budget.

As an aside, and probably the main reason no one would ever have created a transistor or even IC in the 19th century or earlier is because, they really didn't need one yet. A transistor controls electricity (in a circuit) using electricity (from another ideally isolated circuit). In the 19th century, mechanical relays existed which controlled electricity using mechanical means (which could in turn have been controlled by electricity). This was "good enough" for most applications. There was not yet any large-scale telecommunication system (requiring better low-noise, low-power signal amplification), large populations within nation-states (requiring high speed digital data processing by corporations & governments), or potential for world wars that could destroy the planet many times over (requiring data secrecy and cryptanalysis by nations only fighting in proxy aka Cold Wars). These were 20th century and, remain at this point, 21st century concerns that benefitted from, and in some cases sadly, were enabled by the transistor.

Re:4 bit computer built from discrete transistors by bashinator on Monday May 30, 2016 @03:33PM (#11802697)
OP here - my original idea was that in the mid-late 1800s we could have had binary computers made from telegraph relays as switches, not solid-state transistors. The relays I believe are still many orders of magnitude more reliable than vacuum tubes, and probably easier to make more reliable for large-scale provisioning.