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Re:The college debt crisis is worse than it seems by lettergram on Monday May 23, 2016 @03:02PM (#11756018)
I really want my aerospace engineers to be able to do math...

Universities accredit them, so companies don't have to spend their money doing it (via a ridiculous number of interviews). Interviewing is already one of the largest sinks of money for a largish company, no need to make it worse.

Far better, would removing the guaranteed loan payback the government provides. This would force universities to lower prices as students wouldn't be eligible for loans. Further, it increases the barrier to universities, meaning less people will have degrees and in turn companies would have an incentive to hire people without degrees. Plus people with degrees would get paid more (making it easier to pay off loans).

The whole issue is universities aren't having to deal with market forces. Add back in the incentives and it'll be 10x cheaper.

Re:The college debt crisis is worse than it seems by vkou on Monday May 23, 2016 @03:05PM (#11756040)
Your aerospace engineers already need to pass engineering certification. My fast food franchise managers, on the other hand, need to show up, and apply a little common sense.
Re:The college debt crisis is worse than it seems by thearn4 on Monday May 23, 2016 @08:31PM (#11758061)
> Your aerospace engineers already need to pass engineering certification

Generally not in the U.S., unless it's a civil or electrical engineer designing infrastructure. I say this as an aerospace engineer with a mathematics PhD only.

Re:The college debt crisis is worse than it seems by aantix on Monday May 23, 2016 @03:08PM (#11756065)
You already have to interview the candidate; surely asking a question specific to your industry also will demonstrate their proficiencies in the math skills that you're concerned with? I can't imagine taking it for granted that because a University has certified someone that they're already proficient in the fundamentals? In fact, isn't that part of the problem?

I once interviewed a CS grad from MIT for a mid-level software engineering position; smart guy. Couldn't code. Sorry sir, but we need someone that can contribute immediately. We don't care about your school. We care about your output. Next.

Re:The college debt crisis is worse than it seems by lettergram on Monday May 23, 2016 @05:03PM (#11756962)
(1) Even if they passed two coding style questions doesn't mean they can code.

(2) Even if they can't pass those questions doesn't mean they can't code.

45 minutes with someone gives you an idea of what they can do, a decent sample. However, graduation from a university signals that they have been sampled repeatedly for years. They can clearly learn, and should (assuming the system is semi-efficiant) and can do what the university accredited them for.

Even if they screw up that one interview, it means little by itself (baring massive failures during the interview).

Re:The college debt crisis is worse than it seems by rayiner on Monday May 23, 2016 @03:41PM (#11756310)
> The whole issue is universities aren't having to deal with market forces. Add back in the incentives and it'll be 10x cheaper.

That's not the whole issue. If you remove the loan payback guarantee, then creditors will start to evaluate the creditworthiness of students and their families when deciding whether to offer educational loans. Poor families not being able to get loans is a political no-go.