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Re:Ubisoft DRM authentification server is down, Assassin's C... by icco on Sunday March 07, 2010 @06:10PM (#1174214)
"We've got a really great suggestion for how to make such an assurance: Find a less abominable DRM policy."

I don't see how Ubisoft isn't getting sued for this. Here, you can own this object, it and everything on it are yours. But, if we decide so, then you can't use it at certain times, even though you paid in full to be able to use it at any time.

Sure this is being a little harsh because Ubisoft didn't do this on purpose, but seriously, this is ridiculous.

Re:Ubisoft DRM authentification server is down, Assassin's C... by jfmiller28 on Sunday March 07, 2010 @08:26PM (#1174422)
"I don't see how Ubisoft isn't getting sued for this." There is a very logical explanation: The courts are not open on Sunday.
Re:Ubisoft DRM authentification server is down, Assassin's C... by maqr on Sunday March 07, 2010 @06:12PM (#1174218)
> Here, you can own this object, it and everything on it are yours.

They explicitly do not say that.

Re:Ubisoft DRM authentification server is down, Assassin's C... by cabalamat on Sunday March 07, 2010 @06:22PM (#1174237)
If you have bought the game, you have an implied right to play the game (if the small print says otherwise, it should be null and void, and Ubisoft charged with fraud, for that would be making money by deception).

If you bought the game and can't play it, due to Ubisoft's deliberate decision to tie playing the game to their server being up, then you should be entitled to your money back.

Re:Ubisoft DRM authentification server is down, Assassin's C... by tree_of_item on Sunday March 07, 2010 @07:09PM (#1174321)
"If you have bought the game, you have an implied right to play the game (if the small print says otherwise, it should be null and void, and Ubisoft charged with fraud, for that would be making money by deception)"

That would be nice, but it isn't the way things work.

Re:Ubisoft DRM authentification server is down, Assassin's C... by Zak on Sunday March 07, 2010 @07:55PM (#1174377)
Actually, sometimes it is. Volkswagen got sued in the US for selling cars equipped with transponder keys that were far more difficult and expensive to replace than standard car keys without making adequate disclosures to the customer. I suspect a similar lawsuit option exists for Ubisoft customers.
Re:Ubisoft DRM authentification server is down, Assassin's C... by eli on Sunday March 07, 2010 @08:23PM (#1174412)
Sure, anyone can file a lawsuit. But I doubt they'd win. (And it's worth noting that VW didn't lose that case, they settled rather than fight it)
Re:Ubisoft DRM authentification server is down, Assassin's C... by jrockway on Sunday March 07, 2010 @09:48PM (#1174531)
Why settle if you know you are going to win?
Re:Ubisoft DRM authentification server is down, Assassin's C... by eli on Sunday March 07, 2010 @10:17PM (#1174566)
Well because it can actually be cheaper than a protracted legal fight, of course.

Especially if the issue in the case is just about how much to charge for replacement keys.

Re:Ubisoft DRM authentification server is down, Assassin's C... by Zak on Sunday March 07, 2010 @10:21PM (#1174569)
Sometimes it's cheaper than paying the lawyers. The settlement terms in the VW case mostly consisted of informing customers who could make keys for them, and giving vouchers to certain customers for reduced-price duplicates.

Depending on whether Ubisoft really sees this DRM strategy as critical to its survival, it might settle such a suit, or try to head one off before it got to court by changing its DRM policy.

Re:Ubisoft DRM authentification server is down, Assassin's C... by illumin8 on Monday March 08, 2010 @12:41AM (#1174752)
Actually, that is the way things work. I know if I had purchased this game, instead of boycotting it because of the DRM (which I did), right now I would be back at the store demanding a full refund back to my credit card.

If the merchant refuses, that's what a merchant agreement is for... Time to call my bank and get a chargeback. Fuck 'em. They can get the money back from Ubisoft for selling me defective product.

I don't care what type of "click wrap" license they try to foist on me. That shit doesn't hold up in court as legally binding. In the end, my bank will get my money back.

Caveat Venditor...

Re:Ubisoft DRM authentification server is down, Assassin's C... by cabalamat on Friday March 12, 2010 @06:09PM (#1188040)
> That would be nice, but it isn't the way things work.

Yet.

Wait 'til the Pirate Party's been in power a few years...

Re:Ubisoft DRM authentification server is down, Assassin's C... by bmelton on Monday March 08, 2010 @09:20AM (#1175350)
By that logic, Blizzard would have been sued into oblivion for all the downtime that World of Warcraft has experienced, and continues to experience on certain realm servers.
Re:Ubisoft DRM authentification server is down, Assassin's C... by froo on Monday March 08, 2010 @04:26AM (#1175042)
Which is why the current 9th CCA of Vernor vs Autodesk is a fairly important case in regards to this.
Re:Ubisoft DRM authentification server is down, Assassin's C... by icco on Sunday March 07, 2010 @09:05PM (#1174474)
This is true they don't explicitly say that. Just like food doesn't explicitly say this is edible.
Re:Ubisoft DRM authentification server is down, Assassin's C... by smokinn on Sunday March 07, 2010 @07:33PM (#1174350)
Well if Apple can get away with bricking an entire physical device I don't see why Ubisoft can't get away with a game being unplayable for a while.
Re:Ubisoft DRM authentification server is down, Assassin's C... by bshep on Sunday March 07, 2010 @07:38PM (#1174352)
I don't get the reference? When did this happen?

There was the PS3 incident a week or so ago and the Zune incident a couple of years ago. But I don't recall Apple having any issue like this.

Re:Ubisoft DRM authentification server is down, Assassin's C... by smokinn on Sunday March 07, 2010 @07:45PM (#1174362)
http://www.google.com/search?q=apple+bricked+iphones

It's been quite a while now that no matter how much you pay for a device it's still owned by the company that produces it. You're only allowed to do with it what they deem acceptable. Apple is simply the poster child for this kind of behaviour.

As long as we keep accepting that companies have a say about what we do with the property we bought from them after the moment of purchase these kinds of stories will continue.

Re:Ubisoft DRM authentification server is down, Assassin's C... by bshep on Sunday March 07, 2010 @07:52PM (#1174374)
I understand your point, but, it is almost impossible to brick an iPhone unless you mess with the baseband. An in this case it is the person who modifed the firmware who is at fault not apple.

In the case of AC2 people with legitimate UNMODIFIED games are being left without their product. I'm not supporting apple for locking the hardware but I don't think your comparison is fair. It would be a lot easier to compare with the Zune or the PS3 in which cases the platforms were also unmodified and suffered down-time due to a manufacturers mistake.

Re:Ubisoft DRM authentification server is down, Assassin's C... by Groxx on Monday March 08, 2010 @01:52AM (#1174864)
They "got away" with bricking devices which were modified, which explicitly voids all warranties. I'd be willing to bet the hacks also violated TOS agreements.

While it's an ass-move to pull, and I seriously disagree with them doing it, it's fully within their rights. If you change your hardware / software, and don't expect things to possibly fail when you apply an update that doesn't expect modified hardware / software, you are an absolute moron.

Re:Ubisoft DRM authentification server is down, Assassin's C... by dustingetz on Sunday March 07, 2010 @06:22PM (#1174236)
aren't clickwrap licenses a bitch.
Re:Ubisoft DRM authentification server is down, Assassin's C... by mambodog on Monday March 08, 2010 @12:39AM (#1174748)
would clickwrap licenses stand up in court? in all cases? in this case?
Re:Ubisoft DRM authentification server is down, Assassin's C... by pmjordan on Monday March 08, 2010 @05:05AM (#1175072)
They specifically do not stand up in court in Germany. I don't have information on other countries.
Re:Ubisoft DRM authentification server is down, Assassin's C... by dustingetz on Monday March 08, 2010 @11:06AM (#1175593)
in the US, in the general case, i expect it's cheaper to settle.