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Re:Open Whisper Systems Partners with Google on End-To-end E... by chinathrow on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @03:47PM (#11725245)
That is awesome - now we also need to kill metadata collection. Is this feasible?

Oh and off-the-record was there on Hangouts/Gtalk before - I used it but the chats were replicated across clients (e.g. Pidgin vs gmail.com) - so not really off-the-record (i.e. they lied).

Re:Open Whisper Systems Partners with Google on End-To-end E... by mrbiber on Thursday May 19, 2016 @06:28AM (#11729166)
Metadata-free chat exists already on the desktop with Ricochet (https://ricochet.im) and it will soon exist on mobile with Briar (https://briarproject.org). Both work through Tor hidden services - Briar also allows to exchange messages over Bluetooth and direct wifi.
Re:Open Whisper Systems Partners with Google on End-To-end E... by orblivion on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @03:54PM (#11725306)
It's "Off The Record" in that they claimed not to store history. As I understand this is completely unrelated to the OTR encryption system.
Re:Open Whisper Systems Partners with Google on End-To-end E... by chinathrow on Thursday May 19, 2016 @06:06AM (#11729097)
I got rate limited so here's my late reply:

Yes, I labelled that incorrectly and I was not talking about the OTR encryption tech - Google still lied though in terms that they kept a conversation record and replicated it live and time-delayed across channels.

Re:Open Whisper Systems Partners with Google on End-To-end E... by cyphar on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @10:29PM (#11727536)
"Off The Record" is a technical term to describe a cryptographic scheme for allowing deniable authentication (meaning that only the two parties involved in a communication can be sure the other sent a message - they cannot prove to anyone else that the other person sent them a particular message). The Signal protocol is based off a similar system (Axolotl) which provides similar guarantees.

It has nothing to do with "off the record" check boxes in some UI.

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Re:Open Whisper Systems Partners with Google on End-To-end E... by ThatGeoGuy on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @03:54PM (#11725312)
Is this sarcasm of some kind? Is there some joke in here about Whisper Systems vs. Open Whisper Systems?

This comment seems baseless and unfounded at best. Is there context I am missing?

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Re:Open Whisper Systems Partners with Google on End-To-end E... by geofft on Wednesday May 18, 2016 @04:26PM (#11725589)
"Apparently partners with NSA" is very different from "for plausibly-legitimate reasons, runs only a platform that has an increased attack surface".

That's like saying that Ubuntu partners with script kiddies because they're slow about fixing security bugs in LTSes. I understand the point you're trying to make, but no.