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Re:Linguistic purism in English by tomc1985 on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @02:25AM (#11711674)
The want of linguistic purity is superfluous, and contrary to how languages develop. In the comforts of daily life polyglots fuse their multiple languages together, creating a new dialect.

I'm no linguist but one can clearly observe this in japanese "Engrish" (which is a real phenomenon abroad, my former sensei had stories of mispronounced English being taught in schools and understood locally), or in hybrids like Afrikaans or Portuguese. Or in any of the regional dialects that spring up in mixed cultures.

"Pure" languages like Esperanto are neat, and I think they can serve a legitimate and useful role at the world's table, but a language that fights impurities has to constantly push against a strong current. (See: French.) Real language is messy -- because if the majority of people break some rule of grammar together, it becomes the new grammar!

Also, those examples of 'pure' Modern English were ugly/crude-looking/inelegant :(

Re:Linguistic purism in English by Angostura on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @04:16AM (#11712001)
> The want of linguistic purity is superfluous,

A "want of" something means a 'lack of' - "The kingdom was lost for want of a nail"

You probably want "the want for"

Re:Linguistic purism in English by tomc1985 on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @11:30AM (#11714449)
I had always heard that as "for want of," but whatever, it's too late to edit
Re:Linguistic purism in English by TelmoMenezes on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @04:29AM (#11712042)
> or in hybrids like Afrikaans or Portuguese

Portuguese is not a hybrid language, it's a romance language, a direct descendant of Latin with some influences from classical Greek, the same as Spanish, French, Italian and so on.

Modern English could more easily be classified as "hybrid" than Portuguese, given how much it is influenced by both French and Germanic languages.

Re:Linguistic purism in English by tomc1985 on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @11:32AM (#11714468)
Portuguese is a pretty obvious mix of Spanish and French. I wasn't aware there were other predominant influences (though there always are)

And you're right about English, there's a joke about how our tongue stalks other unsuspecting languages in dark alleyways, knocking them out when opportune to steal loose grammar and vocabulary

Re:Linguistic purism in English by GFK_of_xmaspast on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @12:29PM (#11714943)
What makes Portuguese a mix of Spanish and French and not, as TelmoMenezes says, yet another child of Latin? How do you categorize Romansh, Languedoc, Galician, Sardinian, and all the others?
Re:Linguistic purism in English by tomc1985 on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @10:20PM (#11719276)
Most of the words I've encountered in written Portuguese appeared to be either Spanish or French, or visually a combination of the two. It's another child of Latin, alongside Spanish, Italian, French, Romanian, and others. I don't know the history and I don't intend that Portuguese is a child of the two, only that it is another product of the Latin echo chamber by way of its two most visually apparent influences.

I've never had any purposeful encounters with any of the languages you mention, though I would certainly like to!

Re:Linguistic purism in English by blowski on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @06:03AM (#11712355)
Is Brazilian Portuguese a hybrid? It borrows an awful lot from English, African and native American languages.
Re:Linguistic purism in English by TelmoMenezes on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @06:27AM (#11712430)
Not at all. It sounds different from European Portuguese, similarly to how American English sounds different from British English, but they are the same language, and mutually intelligible.

There are local dialects influenced by the languages you mention and others, but Portuguese is Portuguese, like English is English, with the normal variations you would expect from a language widely spoken around the world. European and Brazilian Portuguese native speakers can communicate with each other easily, share TV shows, etc.

Re:Linguistic purism in English by blowski on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @06:42AM (#11712477)
Of course this is anecdotal, but my wife is Brazilian (from Minas Gerais) and struggles to talk with European Portuguese people (sorry!), and needs subtitles to understand it in a film.

Even in my Portuguese textbook it says that there is significantly more difference between European and Brazilian Portuguese than between UK and US English.

Re:Linguistic purism in English by TelmoMenezes on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @07:27AM (#11712663)
No need for apologies :)

I think the main issue you are alluding to is phonetic. European Portuguese speakers tend to really close their vowels, while Brazilian speakers open them. The end result is that it is easy for Europeans to understand Brazilians, but not necessarily the other way around.

I have seen this happen with English speakers, by the way. I remember a friend from the US needing subtitles to follow a British comedy show.

Would your wife have any trouble reading this, for example: http://publico.pt ?

Re:Linguistic purism in English by grondilu on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @06:10AM (#11712380)
Note sure in what way you think Esperanto is a "pure" language. Most of its words are derived from other languages.
Re:Linguistic purism in English by tomc1985 on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @10:24PM (#11719294)
Pure in the sense that it was designed to be grammatically regular, phonetic, and generally easy-to-learn. Functional purity.