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Re:Employment, construction, and the cost of San Francisco a... by kafkaesq on Monday May 16, 2016 @06:23PM (#11710121)
Build in a city where you're required to post notice any time you cut down a tree on your own property.

That's because you're talking about one of the most beautiful cities in the world (despite the attempts of some people to decry otherwise) and, as expressed through the will of its electorate, intends to stay that way. It's also a city that's keenly aware of ecosystem dynamics and environmental issues generally, and the effect of removing that removing certain kinds of trees (for example, trees of significant age, size, and/or foliage) -- particularly if they're close to the street -- can have on the neighborhood well beyond the tiny confines of your own property.

If you want to live in a city that couldn't begin to give a flying F* about trees, or anything else green, for most of its history -- and has the corresponding development footprint and visual character to show for it -- try moving to San Jose.

Re:Employment, construction, and the cost of San Francisco a... by Balgair on Monday May 16, 2016 @06:53PM (#11710259)
HA! San Fransisco is a dirty, 2 fisted drinking town, full-stop. It is not 'one of the most beautiful cities in the world'. Try Hamburg or Vienna. It is a port of call for those looking to escape polite society, be they gays, Chicanos, drunk miners, Russian trappers, whores, Burners, or whatever else isn't talked about on 5th Ave. Do not delude yourself into thinking San Fransisco's people care about anything but the prices of their vices. That is what makes SF great, it just wants to get sloppy drunk. Do whatever else you want.
Re:Employment, construction, and the cost of San Francisco a... by unethical_ban on Monday May 16, 2016 @10:42PM (#11711075)
The Embarcadero, the Ferry Building, Sunset, SOMA and the hipster spots, Haight-Ashbury with the old Victorian houses, with the Redwoods nearby... SF is a great place, at least to visit, and while it has what you describe, it is not what you describe.
Re:Employment, construction, and the cost of San Francisco a... by seanmcdirmid on Monday May 16, 2016 @08:50PM (#11710670)
San Francisco's wooden victorian are very beautiful, it also has a lot of "western American port city" architecture in tact, as you say. Many of us find that beautiful compared to old European cities that have their own very different histories. "The most beautiful city in the world" is most definitely an exaggeration, but it definitely has its own charm.
Re:Employment, construction, and the cost of San Francisco a... by Retric on Monday May 16, 2016 @09:47PM (#11710858)
IMO, San Francisco is an ugly city. It's got that smattering of high rises in a mostly low rise city that just screams slums in most of the world. I mean there is a reason most photos are of a bridge not the buildings.

I accept everyone has different aesthetics. But, the city just screams fake to me without any of the organic charm an old city or the brutal asthetic of say NY.

PS: I guess you can call it unique...

Re:Employment, construction, and the cost of San Francisco a... by seanmcdirmid on Monday May 16, 2016 @09:57PM (#11710898)
Not just bridges, I mean, SF has stuff like this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Painted_ladies#/media/File:Pai...

Linking into https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Painted_ladies:

> "Painted ladies" is a term in American architecture used for Victorian and Edwardian houses and buildings painted in three or more colors that embellish or enhance their architectural details. The term was first used for San Francisco Victorian houses by writers Elizabeth Pomada and Michael Larsen in their 1978 book Painted Ladies - San Francisco's Resplendent Victorians.[1]

Such housing is virtually everywhere in SF if you bother walking out of the urban core. I used to lose myself for hours just wandering around SF neighborhoods.

I really wonder if you really know what slums really are. I live in Beijing, a high rise city by any definition, which has slums galore (though not the ones found in India). Even the tall buildings are dingy, lack character. I also lived in Lausanne for a couple of years...supposedly a nice city, but it definitely had its share of grit and urban fake-ness. Especially high rise social housing (say in Renens), which, while not bad, definitely had a feeling of sluminess to them.

Re:Employment, construction, and the cost of San Francisco a... by kafkaesq on Monday May 16, 2016 @08:59PM (#11710699)
"One of the most" is what I said, not "the most."
Re:Employment, construction, and the cost of San Francisco a... by seanmcdirmid on Monday May 16, 2016 @09:52PM (#11710875)
Sure. I was just stating that the exaggerated point would have been...an exaggeration, not that this is the point you made. Sorry for the confusion.
Re:Employment, construction, and the cost of San Francisco a... by kafkaesq on Monday May 16, 2016 @08:55PM (#11710685)
That's a nice, romantic point view of the world to have.

But the reality of the city's history and demographics is far more staid. And the people living there just want jobs, affordable housing, and better public transportation just like anywhere else. And streets that don't flood during storms, and air they can breathe.

Re:Employment, construction, and the cost of San Francisco a... by Balgair on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @11:06AM (#11714256)
SF is not the world. The POV is of SF city only.

SF also does actually sit right on top of a fault line, so it is not a staid place by any stretch of the mind. It was just over 100 years ago the entire place burnt to the ground and was rebuilt by greedy logger barons (Cowell, Lick, etc.). It is a matter of time before another bad quake happens again, though maybe to Market as badly the next time. I agree they want the amenities, but SF is a port and it needs its vices, despite all calls to the contrary. People that need the amenities move to Napa or Dublin. Also, SF has never had real problems with flooding like St. Louis does (see: the hills) or the bad air like on Mexico City or LA (see: the bay fog rolling in).

I've no idea what drives the romanticism when you can smell the streets even in the rain. Then again, the French are like that and their streets are covered in doggy land-mines like SF's are.

Re:Employment, construction, and the cost of San Francisco a... by bbcbasic on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @12:17AM (#11711316)
Sounds like my kind of town
Re:Employment, construction, and the cost of San Francisco a... by Balgair on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @11:08AM (#11714274)
It is very charming once you get past the slurs. Folk are nice, if stabby and strung-out.
Re:Employment, construction, and the cost of San Francisco a... by Camillo on Monday May 16, 2016 @06:39PM (#11710196)
The west side of the city (the Sunset and the Richmond) has little to recommend in terms of "visual character". It's also poorly connected to the rest of the city and has very poor walkability, save for the N corridor. They could just tear it all up and build mid-rises, if only they had better connections to stimulate demand.
Re:Employment, construction, and the cost of San Francisco a... by kafkaesq on Monday May 16, 2016 @08:25PM (#11710593)
Every city has its underbellies and backsides -- most of them for more unappealing and unsalvageable than SF's. Meanwhile, very few large cities in North America (and I've been to basically all of them) have much to compare with in terms of architecture, character (up until the current boom, anyway) and charm.

And in terms of the stunning beauty of its geographic surroundings -- precisely none of them.

On balance there's basically no contest.

Re:Employment, construction, and the cost of San Francisco a... by eru on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @01:02AM (#11711448)
They have enough demand. Zoning (and Nimbys) are bad.
Re:Employment, construction, and the cost of San Francisco a... by ecobiker on Monday May 16, 2016 @06:49PM (#11710243)
SF has far fewer trees than other cities. I agree that the city needs more trees but the city should plant them on sidewalks and other open spaces.

http://www.deeproot.com/blog/blog-entries/tree-cover-how-doe...

Re:Employment, construction, and the cost of San Francisco a... by xfour on Monday May 16, 2016 @06:44PM (#11710217)
So true, San Jose, and the greater Silicon Valley have a huge problem with this. The ongoing fight over Coyote Valley is the flashpoint of the moment but mostly because it's the only open space left.
Re:Employment, construction, and the cost of San Francisco a... by J5892 on Monday May 16, 2016 @08:21PM (#11710584)
My level of depression while walking outside significantly reduced once I moved away from San Jose.

San Jose has a beauty reminiscent of Houston, Texas or Melbourne, Australia.

Re:Employment, construction, and the cost of San Francisco a... by jacalata on Monday May 16, 2016 @09:37PM (#11710831)
What do you find similar between Melbourne and Houston?
Re:Employment, construction, and the cost of San Francisco a... by sfmeteor on Monday May 16, 2016 @08:27PM (#11710601)
SF, a city so keenly aware of environmental issues that we built a dam in a national park to get some water.
Re:Employment, construction, and the cost of San Francisco a... by kafkaesq on Monday May 16, 2016 @08:30PM (#11710610)
I'm talking about the SF of 2016, not 1923.