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Re:Stoned drivers are safer than drunk ones, new federal dat... by Broken_Hippo on Monday May 16, 2016 @11:06AM (#11706741)
That isn't what the article was saying.

I do find it a bit unfair to compare daily smokers to functional alcoholics, however - there is a definite difference in the way the drugs affect folks. This was the main point of the article. A slight buzz like that of a daily smoker - or someone using for medical reasons - isn't affecting safety, but going more than that and it should be obvious. Be safe and all that.

Besides. Part of the issue is that public transportation lacking in a lot of parts of the country. Some folks just don't have options, even things like Uber, and if you live just slightly out of the way, such things wind up costing even more money. If you are drunk, you can get arrested in some places (indiana) for walking home - instant public intoxication charge. Still more places don't have safe options to walk or ride bikes if you are impared. These things need fixed to be able to do what you are encouraging.

Re:Stoned drivers are safer than drunk ones, new federal dat... by squidfood on Monday May 16, 2016 @11:15AM (#11706811)
The key point in the article is actually the tests used. THC stays in the body long (days/weeks) after you're no longer impaired.

If a breathalyzer test on Tuesday picked up the beer you had last Saturday, there'd be no correlation between that test and accidents, either. (and no one would approve of using such a test for law enforcement).

Re:Stoned drivers are safer than drunk ones, new federal dat... by mirimir on Monday May 16, 2016 @11:48AM (#11707071)
Yes, this is a key problem with the study. THC metabolites are cleared very slowly. Testing positive indicates that you used marijuana within a week or two. It doesn't mean that you're stoned.

For alcohol, a comparable test might look at long-term changes in liver biochemistry associated with alcohol consumption. In that case, there probably wouldn't be any correlation with accident rates.

Re:Stoned drivers are safer than drunk ones, new federal dat... by maxerickson on Monday May 16, 2016 @11:53AM (#11707115)
Blood tests can directly measure THC. The article seems to be talking about such tests.

The problem is that there is not a well established mapping between THC levels and impairment. It isn't even clear if such a mapping can be done.

Re:Stoned drivers are safer than drunk ones, new federal dat... by mirimir on Monday May 16, 2016 @12:24PM (#11707380)
Maybe there's a key distinction between THC levels in the blood and bioavailable THC. THC is extremely lipophilic, so it might get trapped for degradation.
Re:Stoned drivers are safer than drunk ones, new federal dat... by dragonwriter on Monday May 16, 2016 @11:29AM (#11706907)
> If a breathalyzer test on Tuesday picked up the beer you had last Saturday, there'd be no correlation between that test and accidents, either.

Not sure that's true: if the alcohol was still in your blood that long, it would still be affecting you and impairing function.

Re:Stoned drivers are safer than drunk ones, new federal dat... by amazon_not on Monday May 16, 2016 @11:20AM (#11706855)
> These things need fixed to be able to do what you are encouraging.

Lack of transportation, other options or the public intoxication charges should not and cannot ever be an acceptable reason for driving while impaired.

If you indulge, don't drive. Period.

There is no option B. The only acceptable solution, if you have to get behind a wheel and drive, is to abstain from any impairing consumption.

Re:Stoned drivers are safer than drunk ones, new federal dat... by wildmusings on Monday May 16, 2016 @11:49AM (#11707076)
>If you are drunk, you can get arrested in some places (indiana) for walking home - instant public intoxication charge.

If you're so drunk that you'd get pulled over as a pedestrian, then you most certainly should not be driving.

>Still more places don't have safe options to walk or ride bikes if you are impared. These things need fixed to be able to do what you are encouraging.

How about some personal responsibility? Society isn't responsible for enabling people's drinking. If you can't get home without driving, then don't drink (or if it's a long visit, have only one or two, at the beginning).

Re:Stoned drivers are safer than drunk ones, new federal dat... by Broken_Hippo on Monday May 16, 2016 @03:46PM (#11709062)
I don't think you understand. If you are legally drunk - blow a .08 on the test - you can get a public intoxication charge. It is that simple.

All that takes is living out of town and walking down the main route to your house and someone stopping and smelling alcohol.

It is great to put that theoretical thing in place. But people do, occasionally, mess up. I rarely went to bars because of transportation - others, not so much. Alcohol impairs judgement as, and if the options aren't there and easy to use, it is more likely that folks will drive drunk.

Re:Stoned drivers are safer than drunk ones, new federal dat... by maxerickson on Monday May 16, 2016 @03:56PM (#11709120)
Re:Stoned drivers are safer than drunk ones, new federal dat... by Broken_Hippo on Monday May 16, 2016 @05:14PM (#11709684)
Cool. Been living out of the country for a few years, didn't know that :D Thanks muchly. I was always hopeful that my walking home wasn't interrupted by cops and took alternate routes at times. This should have been the case years ago.
Re:Stoned drivers are safer than drunk ones, new federal dat... by ams6110 on Monday May 16, 2016 @07:14PM (#11710335)
Look, honestly most cops have better things to do than arrest a person walking home from a bar and not bothering anyone. Yeah public intoxication is a thing and there are a few dick cops who will, but for the most part you don't have to worry about it. The cops around here don't arrest for public intox or even weed possession anymore because they know it will get bargained down to a fine and maybe court supervision (though if you are causing other problems or being an asshole they might). This is firsthand from a local cop. They just have a lot more serious things to worry about.
Re:Stoned drivers are safer than drunk ones, new federal dat... by joesmo on Monday May 16, 2016 @01:23PM (#11707880)
"If you're so drunk that you'd get pulled over as a pedestrian, then you most certainly should not be driving."

Or you could just be walking while black (or hispanic, etc.).

Re:Stoned drivers are safer than drunk ones, new federal dat... by wildmusings on Monday May 16, 2016 @02:37PM (#11708508)
Are you really blaming racism for DUIs?
Re:Stoned drivers are safer than drunk ones, new federal dat... by joesmo on Monday May 16, 2016 @03:09PM (#11708784)
No, I'm saying that you don't have to be visibly drunk to be stopped by police, especially if you're a minority.
Re:Stoned drivers are safer than drunk ones, new federal dat... by selectodude on Monday May 16, 2016 @03:00PM (#11708705)
I think he's blaming racism for public intox.