News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:HDD Shipments Down 20% in Q1 2016, Hit Multi-Year Low by wtallis on Thursday May 12, 2016 @11:14PM (#11688403)
We won't be seeing these charts go to 0 in a few short years. Hard drives are at 2.7¢/GB while SSDs are at 21.9¢/GB, and that gap won't be closed with just one or two generations of NAND even if hard drives don't get any cheaper. We will increasingly see parts of the hard drive market killed off by SSDs, as the market for low-capacity 2.5" drives has been. Hard drives are shifting from being mainstream storage to archive storage, with things like shingled magnetic recording making hard drives inherently more tape-like. That's why Western Digital had to make a big SSD acquisition (SanDisk), and why Seagate needs to grow their SSD offerings by a lot.
Re:HDD Shipments Down 20% in Q1 2016, Hit Multi-Year Low by spdionis on Friday May 13, 2016 @09:15AM (#11690194)
We're talking about PC industry here, as in "Personal Computer"
Re:HDD Shipments Down 20% in Q1 2016, Hit Multi-Year Low by wtallis on Friday May 13, 2016 @02:22PM (#11692203)
I'm afraid I have no idea what the point of your comment is. Could you elaborate?
Re:HDD Shipments Down 20% in Q1 2016, Hit Multi-Year Low by jstx on Friday May 13, 2016 @01:36AM (#11688821)
Re:HDD Shipments Down 20% in Q1 2016, Hit Multi-Year Low by tadfisher on Friday May 13, 2016 @02:39AM (#11688984)
An $8,000 drive only serves to prove this point.
Re:HDD Shipments Down 20% in Q1 2016, Hit Multi-Year Low by danielbarla on Friday May 13, 2016 @05:40AM (#11689452)
That drive certainly is a bit strange. For one, I would imagine lot of the potential performance is wasted by a SAS connector.

That said, it might be of interest to enterprises from a few different angles (largest drive available for that form factor, easier to manage, great performance, etc). Anything that widens adoption will serve to drive prices even lower. SSDs don't necessarily beat HDDs on price per GB, they just have to get close enough that enough people don't care anymore. And as the original poster pointed out, for many that's already the case.

Re:HDD Shipments Down 20% in Q1 2016, Hit Multi-Year Low by creshal on Friday May 13, 2016 @05:56AM (#11689487)
> And as the original poster pointed out, for many that's already the case.

Because we're seeing, at the same time, a drive away from owning media and instead streaming them, and/or storing data increasingly in The Cloud® and only having a small working set locally.

All those off-loaded will have to be stored somewhere by someone, and that someone will most likely keep using spinning rust for its better price.

And if you do want to keep all your data locally (e.g. because you're living in Nowhere Innawoods and ISPs struggle to get you 6 MBit/s), HDDs can't keep getting bigger and cheaper fast enough.

Re:HDD Shipments Down 20% in Q1 2016, Hit Multi-Year Low by danielbarla on Friday May 13, 2016 @06:06AM (#11689515)
That's an interesting point, though I suspect it's slightly overstated. I'm sure there's several scenarios that demand huge amounts of storage - e.g. storing HD series, etc - but I'd argue that it isn't mainstream in the greater scheme of things. Heck, I have a 2mbit ADSL line (since I'm living in the arse end of nowhere), and my primary PC has 3x250GB spinnies and a 100GB SSD, no cloud storage. I have a 2TB external for long-term backups. I haven't bothered to replace the HDDs, because honestly I don't really need to. And I'm sure I'm not a special case.
Re:HDD Shipments Down 20% in Q1 2016, Hit Multi-Year Low by creshal on Friday May 13, 2016 @06:53AM (#11689637)
> I'm sure there's several scenarios that demand huge amounts of storage - e.g. storing HD series, etc - but I'd argue that it isn't mainstream in the greater scheme of things.

That was my point; almost nobody is storing HD series anymore because people want to (and in many cases legally are only able to) stream them instead.

Re:HDD Shipments Down 20% in Q1 2016, Hit Multi-Year Low by ajuc on Friday May 13, 2016 @08:54AM (#11690100)
> almost nobody is storing HD series anymore

They never were. Why would you store a movie on a hard drive after you watched it?

Re:HDD Shipments Down 20% in Q1 2016, Hit Multi-Year Low by greedo on Friday May 13, 2016 @10:08AM (#11690492)
Lots of people use Plex etc for movie playback. Kids love to rewatch movies, as do some movie lovers. I have a copy of many movies in a disk array so that I can watch them anywhere in the house without digging out a disk.
Re:HDD Shipments Down 20% in Q1 2016, Hit Multi-Year Low by saiya-jin on Friday May 13, 2016 @11:05AM (#11690787)
I do store movies, and quite a few people around me too. I store only truly remarkable and important ones to me that I might watch later (and often I do), currently filling most of my 3 TB drive. I never go back to series, even the best ones are one-time watch for me.

Flac music can fill another 500 GB easily, more depending what you listen to..

Not a lot of people know how/can stream a properly good 1080p stream with high bitrates. oh, you want some subtitles because you're not an english native? Or you have fancy stereo/surround setup that you want to actually use? oh well, you better download some bigger version.

Re:HDD Shipments Down 20% in Q1 2016, Hit Multi-Year Low by dragontamer on Friday May 13, 2016 @04:40PM (#11693090)
> storing data increasingly in The Cloud®

But if the Cloud is made up of hard drives, then hard drive manufacturers still win. Look up "Backblaze Pods" if you don't believe me.

I mean, if everyone just stores data in the "Cloud", its mostly composed of hard drives anyway. You just no longer own or maintain the hard drive.

Re:HDD Shipments Down 20% in Q1 2016, Hit Multi-Year Low by dragonwriter on Friday May 13, 2016 @04:58PM (#11693204)
> But if the Cloud is made up of hard drives, then hard drive manufacturers still win.

If drives in the Cloud are, on average, utilized more efficiently (both in terms of less unused drive capacity being purchased, and existing drives being used for more of their design life and not being tossed because the device they are in is end-of-life even if the drive isn't) than traditional locally-deployed (both client and server) drives, then increasing cloud use could mean the manufacturer's still lose (in terms of year-over-year sales) even with total storage increasing, if the increase in average efficiency outpaces the increase in storage, so that annual drive sales drop.

Re:HDD Shipments Down 20% in Q1 2016, Hit Multi-Year Low by kabdib on Friday May 13, 2016 @09:42AM (#11690343)
I could see the density being really interesting for folks playing with other people's money (e.g., NSA "no sparrow shall fall" datacenters).
Re:HDD Shipments Down 20% in Q1 2016, Hit Multi-Year Low by creshal on Friday May 13, 2016 @03:05AM (#11689061)
Equivalent cost of a spinning rust setup would be less than $500.
Re:HDD Shipments Down 20% in Q1 2016, Hit Multi-Year Low by Spooky23 on Friday May 13, 2016 @11:50AM (#11691082)
Many technologies have this type of price tiering -- high end costs a fortune and exists for super-niche customers and to build out the manufacturing process. (Recall $25,000 plasma TVs 15 years ago).

If you're making large purchases right now, 3+TB SSDs are pricing out fast spinning disk tiers. You probably will see no 10k/15k drives in 2-3 years.