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Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by mindcrime on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @03:48PM (#11670061)
It was strange to see that the globalist was on the right and the protectionist was on the left and that is exactly the opposite of what we are seeing in the US election this year.

Realistically, the terms "left" and "right" don't mean a damn thing in modern politics, at least not in the US. There's not really a cohesive ideology that you can say is "the left ideology", or one you can call "the right ideology". Both labels are, at times, attached to a smorgasbord of ideas, some related, some unrelated, and probably some that are diametrically opposed to each other.

Mostly those words exist simply as pejoratives now.

And to the extent that they have any meaning, the idea of one dimensional model of political orientation is brain-dead anyway. You can't actually reflect the variety of political belief like that. Take, for example, Libertarians, who are, as the old joke goes "left of left, AND right of right". That shouldn't be possible, and yet, here we are.

We really ought to quit talking in terms of "left" and "right" and find a richer and more consistent model to describe political orientation.

Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by krapp on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @04:00PM (#11670173)
>We really ought to quit talking in terms of "left" and "right" and find a richer and more consistent model to describe political orientation.

We would need a higher dimensional political process to apply it to, first. A two party system can only describe one-dimensional politics.

Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by mindcrime on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @04:08PM (#11670230)
I believe referring to our system as a "two party" system is mistake. In the United States there are far more than two political parties, although two specific parties dominate electoral politics. BUT, continuing to refer to the system as "two party" simply perpetuates this belief that there's no reason to vote for "third" parties, even though "3rd party" candidates DO get elected. Most of them are at the city council / county board of commissioners level, they they get elected and hold office.[1]

And as long as we stick to this incorrect single dimensional model, we make it even more difficult to talk about 3rd parties, exactly because some (many?|most??) of them don't fit the simplistic left/right continuum. To continue with an earlier example, American libertarians do not fit cleanly on either side of that model. I'm pretty sure there are other examples, but the Libertarian one is the one I'm most familiar with.

It's something of a chicken-or-the-egg problem, granted, but right now it's probably easier to start changing the language we use, than it is to overcome first-past-the-post single-member-district voting systems, etc. [2]

[1]: https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-officials

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger's_law

Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by krapp on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @10:42PM (#11672300)
Fair enough.

It's not a two party system, but it is a two-party dominant system.

Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by golemotron on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @05:09PM (#11670672)
Good observation but my point was that the Right in the US election is adopting a position with regard to trade that is people on the Left in the US advocate but only for other countries.

That is a puzzle that should be teased apart.