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Re:Swift Programming Language Evolution by lanestp on Monday May 09, 2016 @12:13PM (#11660902)
I gotta disagree with this one. Those operators have always been confusing and unnecessary. j = i++ being different from j = ++i alone is enough to convince me it's gotta go.
Re:Swift Programming Language Evolution by gagege on Monday May 09, 2016 @12:29PM (#11661044)
Exactly. I am disappointed they're removing function currying/partial application syntax though :(
Re:Swift Programming Language Evolution by thevibesman on Monday May 09, 2016 @02:35PM (#11662026)
This was my first reaction as well, but then I realized I hadn't done much currying in Swift and half forgot it was a feature.

Maybe you can bring it back when we get hygienic macros (Swift 4.0? fingers crossed)

Re:Swift Programming Language Evolution by lanestp on Monday May 09, 2016 @03:31PM (#11662464)
The currying was cool. I had to read the pull requests on that one and it seems that it was removed because it complicated language development. I'm hoping they bring it back in a modified more extensible way!
Re:Swift Programming Language Evolution by warmwaffles on Monday May 09, 2016 @12:27PM (#11661025)
++i and i++ have their uses. Just because it is confusing to you doesn't mean it is confusing to others. There are things about swift that are confusing to me, but I don't out right say that it has to go.

Chalk this one up to shit hacker news says.

Re:Swift Programming Language Evolution by whatever_dude on Monday May 09, 2016 @01:02PM (#11661324)
I believe something can be easy to understand (as is i++/++i) but also confusing.

Things that require a double take to read and parse do not help. Additional solutions to the same problem do not help.

There's a lot of cleverness that can come up in programming that may make for neat/short writing but that makes reading and purpose less clear. i++/++i helps with that with no special benefits.

I like how the Swift team approached the decision to remove them: thinking on whether it would make sense to add them had they not been there. And it doesn't, as they solve no particular problem; they're just a special, (not much) shorter solution to something that's already solved.

Re:Swift Programming Language Evolution by proyb2 on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @09:06PM (#11671942)
Too easy to get errors for array or objects loop outside the boundary that can be confusing for any teams dealing with large scale and when the requirements change frequently.