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Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by bobwaycott on Monday May 09, 2016 @11:29AM (#11660541)
This is obviously very bad from the standpoint that the trending news section is ostensibly supposed to be organic, based on user behavior, and free of bias—except that which is inherent in the users themselves sharing things to be picked up as "trending". It appears that "trending news" has really been "curated news". Not cool at all.

More concerning than trending news actually being curated news is learning that negative stories about Facebook were allegedly actively suppressed. Doublenotcool at all.

However, that there is "conservative news" and "liberal news" is even more bothersome. Especially that it's offered as something anyone should find to be acceptable as an idea at all.

> But we would have to go and find the same story from a more neutral outlet that wasn’t as biased.

This is delivered as if it is inherently a bad thing, when it most assuredly is not. When I come across a story about anything, I actively prefer to find it covered by a neutral outlet that isn't as biased. This is, to me, a good thing, and what news should be. News should be information about events. If I want opinionated and editorialized news, I'd go after an opinionated and editorialized source. They abound. That anyone who calls themselves a journalist would call out the suppression of "conservative news" or "liberal news", instead of calling out the elevation and coupling of inherent bias in reporting as the problem itself, strikes me as more than worrisome.

To my thinking, there is a difference between news that is of interest to [insert ideological group identification] and news that is delivered through the bias of [insert ideological group identification]. I would love it if there was a way to identify and filter news from a neutral outlet with less (ideally no) bias. I recognize that is largely impossible, as we cannot rid ourselves of our biases very easily. However, we can recognize our biases and seek to counterbalance them. We can also make attempts to actively omit them from news coverage. An outlet can report on facts.

That said, it appears this story highlights both: a biased suppression of news that is of interest to conservatives and news that is delivered through the lens of conservatively biased opinion and sources. The former is entirely bad, as it actively omits information that a group would like to know. The second is far less onerous to me, as I personally would love it if there were algorithmic delivery of actual news from outlets that eschewed biased delivery and editorializing.

Edit: It is made clear in the article that part of the problem stems from Facebook's desire to compete with Twitter for real-time trending news. This is unsurprising, as should the outcome be to readers and users. Facebook created a tool to allow humans to modify news in the trending section that wasn't organically trending. Someone thought this would be a competitive net positive because it could allow Facebook curators to keep up with breaking news that was "all over Twitter". That Facebook hired curators, and that one or more of those curators then divulged information about this tool being used to subjectively inject or suppress stories seems entirely unsurprising. The tool obviously should not exist. Creating it was a very dumb move. Not militantly monitoring and correcting its misuse was even dumber.

Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by nil_is_me on Monday May 09, 2016 @11:42AM (#11660648)
I agree that it is imperative to understand the biases present in the media we encounter. It is not possible to have a neutral news outlet. The mere choice or what to cover or not to cover is a judgement call. Some people might consider PBS or NPR to be neutral, but in fact they have a strong point of view in their choice of coverage and tone. Same with the major print and broadcast outlets. As this election cycle has made clear, everyone has an agenda in their coverage.

Personally, I would rather read sources on the various extremes of the spectrum and make the choice of what to trust myself. The most neutral (in my mind) coverage of US Politics I can find is foreign media such as the BBC.

Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by SFLemonade on Monday May 09, 2016 @12:44PM (#11661172)
On the point about the difference between "conservative news" and "liberal news", I agree that it's unfortunate the two even exist. But for the sake of the Gizmodo article, I think it was important for them to call this out, because not only was "conservative news" being censored, but "liberal news" was being introduced or boosted.

Curators would find less biased (read: not as sympathetic to the conservative viewpoint) sources for trending conservative topics, but they would not do the same for liberal topics. So I agree that it's best to find balanced journalism, but that should happen on both sides (conservative and liberal). If they only find less biased sources for conservative media, then that is in itself even more biased toward the liberal agenda. They were censoring or watering down the conservative view point from multiple angles.

Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by michaelbuddy on Monday May 09, 2016 @12:33PM (#11661076)
>> But we would have to go and find the same story from a more neutral outlet that wasn’t as biased. >This is delivered as if it is inherently a bad thing, when it most assuredly is not.

Keep in mind this is a statement quoted by the curator summing up what s/he said they did over a long span of time. Their recollection of what they tended to do is not necessarily reality. They could be lying in that quote to try to soften what they did. And their quest to find something less biased means diddly given the bias across all news.

Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by bobwaycott on Monday May 09, 2016 @12:38PM (#11661128)
Oh, I know. I perhaps should have made it more clear that my issue was with the curator saying that as if it was inherently bad and indicative of a problem, instead of inherently good and useful as a rule.
Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by thrownaway2424 on Monday May 09, 2016 @11:35AM (#11660593)
Of course there is "conservative news" and "liberal news". Liberal news is things that happened, things that will happen, etc. Conservative news is a made up stories, things that never happened, etc.

Example of trending "conservative news": Obama bans the phrase "Merry Christmas". E.g. http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines-2015/barack-obama-bans-...

Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by wildmusings on Monday May 09, 2016 @12:04PM (#11660841)
>Of course there is "conservative news" and "liberal news". Liberal news is things that happened, things that will happen, etc. Conservative news is a made up stories, things that never happened, etc.

So what do you call Vox and Rolling Stone? Do you really have such a simplistic view of the world, where half of America is a bunch of morons with no legitimate gripes? You are destroying America. You are spreading division and hatred instead of understanding and reasoned arguments. I wonder if you would say the same thing if you were commenting with your real name.

Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by bobwaycott on Monday May 09, 2016 @12:17PM (#11660933)
Hey, there's really no need for attacking each other. That doesn't improve anything.
Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by 542458 on Monday May 09, 2016 @11:37AM (#11660603)
I think that's an overly broad and biased characterization. I find it hard to believe that an entire half of the voting spectrum is made up of liars and charlatans.
Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by thrownaway2424 on Monday May 09, 2016 @11:51AM (#11660730)
But it should be pretty easy to believe that half of people (at least) are gullible. If "Obama bans Christmas" ends up as trending news because a couple hundred far-out whackjobs clicked on it, then your mom sees that in the trending box, and now your mom thinks that Obama banned Christmas.
Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by bobwaycott on Monday May 09, 2016 @12:29PM (#11661036)
This seems to be a far more damning indictment of trending news than curated news or the gullibility of people. Perhaps that is what you're getting at. I have this nagging suspicion that people catalog information based on the subjective believability of headlines without following through to the story, and only click on things because they either A) don't believe the headline, or B) find it enticing enough to want the juicy details.

"Obama bans 'Merry Christmas'" would likely get far more clicks and trend more than "Obama said Happy Holidays yesterday". To me, the problem is in the headline writing, coupled with silly human behaviors and algorithms. Not sure how to solve that problem.

I think Gizmodo's headline on this story is a compelling example of what I'm talking about. "Facebook has a tool used by curators to modify the Trending News section" probably wouldn't get as many clicks.

Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by dragonwriter on Monday May 09, 2016 @04:27PM (#11662870)
> I find it hard to believe that an entire half of the voting spectrum is made up of liars and charlatans.

The publishers of conservative news stories are not "an entire half of the voting spectrum", so that's not the issue in any case.

Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by pgm8705 on Monday May 09, 2016 @12:22PM (#11660974)
Right. Certainly there aren't any liberal blogs or "news" organizations that sensationalize headlines or downright make things up... It happens both ways and is unfortunate.
Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by thrownaway2424 on Monday May 09, 2016 @01:24PM (#11661482)
Liberals do not maintain a cottage industry of complaining about the conservative conspiracy to suppress their viewpoints, whereas conservatives seemingly spend 100% of their time doing so. For example there are plenty of dead tree books like [1], extensive networks of people investigating Obama's place of birth, including the current American conservative leader and icon Donald Trump.

Meanwhile there is a real, concrete conspiracy by conservatives to actively suppress the truth, especially in the area of climate science. It would be hard to not notice that the conservative PM of Canada actually banned scientists from speaking to the public, or that Republicans in the USA are constantly trying to defund NOAA and NASA, or that the Republican-controlled 104th Congress of the US forbid the NIH from studying gun violence, among many other examples.

https://books.google.com/books?id=9iLHTFOQLGwC&pg=PA314&lpg=...

Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by wildmusings on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @01:17AM (#11665283)
How about leftist anti-nuclear, anti-GMO, organic food pseudoscience? Nuclear power is the solution to fossil fuel emissions that doesn't require destroying our economy, but the left is the biggest obstacle to its development. Or how about the wage gap, which no serious economist actually thinks exists.
Re:Former Facebook Workers: We Routinely Suppressed Conserva... by thrownaway2424 on Tuesday May 10, 2016 @10:54AM (#11667623)
Advocating against something is not the same as suppressing advocacy of that thing.