Feds announce final e-cigarette rule that nearly bans them

Re:Feds announce final e-cigarette rule that nearly bans them by tptacek on Thursday May 05, 2016 @01:40PM (#11638184)

They really don't.

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Re:Feds announce final e-cigarette rule that nearly bans them by Amezarak on Thursday May 05, 2016 @01:44PM (#11638210)

I'm not speculating. I'm telling you what I see daily in front of the school.

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Re:Feds announce final e-cigarette rule that nearly bans them by tptacek on Thursday May 05, 2016 @02:05PM (#11638405)

I remain skeptical. I did some research, and the reports I found suggest that e-cig usage among teenagers is rare relative to cigarettes, and that most teenage e-cig users are former cigarette smokers. And again, as a parent of two children in roughly this age group, what you're saying you see every day conflicts with my own experience.

I think you're wrong about the general argument you're trying to make about e-cigarettes.

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Re:Feds announce final e-cigarette rule that nearly bans them by Retric on Thursday May 05, 2016 @02:23PM (#11638560)

About 5 of every 100 middle school students (5.3%) reported in 2015 that they used electronic cigarettes in the past 30 days—an increase from 0.6% in 2011.

About 2 of every 100 middle school students (2.3%) reported in 2015 that they smoked cigarettes in the past 30 days. http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/youth...

Findings from the 2014 National Youth Tobacco Survey show that current e-cigarette use (use on at least 1 day in the past 30 days) among high school students increased from 4.5 percent in 2013 to 13.4 percent in 2014, rising from approximately 660,000 to 2 million students http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2015/p0416-e-cigarette-use...

PS: Why do you constantly say stuff like this when fact's are clearly not on your side?

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Re:Feds announce final e-cigarette rule that nearly bans them by WillPostForFood on Thursday May 05, 2016 @03:25PM (#11639004)

But note that on the page you cite it says that overall tobacco use in middle school has not changed since 2011. So kids are substituting a more dangerous product (cigarettes) for a less dangerous product (vaping).

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Re:Feds announce final e-cigarette rule that nearly bans them by Retric on Thursday May 05, 2016 @04:25PM (#11639408)

That's reversing a long term trend of decreasing tobacco use among middle school students. Current usage patterns mean e-sig users tend to go back to tobacco at some point. Thus e-sig's may in fact act like the mythical 'gateway' drug among middle school students.

During 2000--2009, the prevalence of current tobacco use among middle school students declined (15.1% to 8.2%), as did current cigarette use (11.0% to 5.2%) and cigarette smoking experimentation (29.8% to 15.0%)

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5933a2.htm

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Re:Feds announce final e-cigarette rule that nearly bans them by tptacek on Thursday May 05, 2016 @02:38PM (#11638680)

I got my assertion from:

http://www.ash.org.uk/files/documents/ASH_959.pdf

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