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Re:Italian court rules food theft 'not a crime' if hungry by KirinDave on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @12:59PM (#11622363)
The casual misogyny of this thread is impressively internalized.
Re:Italian court rules food theft 'not a crime' if hungry by steego on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @02:27PM (#11623051)
I deserved that.

I have a great capacity to become an asshole when I'm being glib. I would like to add that there's nothing impressive with how well casual prejudice becomes internalized because that is literally the easiest and laziest thing a brain can do.

Re:Italian court rules food theft 'not a crime' if hungry by KirinDave on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @05:24PM (#11624359)
I am sorry to be blunt. Someone called it "snarky." I am happy we can reflect publicly and agree that this relatively common phrase is somewhat problematic.

Thank you. It made my day incrementally better.

Re:Italian court rules food theft 'not a crime' if hungry by steego on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @06:27PM (#11624749)
I'm glad I could make your day incrementally better.

Every once in a while I need a reminder that my loose tongue can make people feel marginalized. What you do is thankless and I know people resent you because they feel like you're trying to censor everybody. I know you're just trying to protect people who don't have a thick skin. Not everyone can have a thick skin, so somebody should look out for them.

I almost responded differently but I'm really glad I didn't. The world doesn't need more distance between people.

Re:Italian court rules food theft 'not a crime' if hungry by lwhalen on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @04:23PM (#11623907)
Misogyny? Where's the specific hatred of women? If anything, it's (well-placed) misanthropy.
Re:Italian court rules food theft 'not a crime' if hungry by KirinDave on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @05:13PM (#11624285)
" * Stealing the heart of a girl from a guy who abuses her."

If you don't understand why this is a misogynistic statement, I think the best advice I can offer you is to research why it might be considered as such. Ask a feminist you know and trust more than me, as a suggested start.

Re:Italian court rules food theft 'not a crime' if hungry by steego on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @11:17PM (#11625900)
I'm sorry, but that's a lousy answer. It's lousy because you don't trust him or other people to give your perspective a fair chance. When you tell me, "I'm happy we can reflect publically" and then clam up and punt when someone else asks you to expand, you not only lose credibility, you're also stealing credibility from the ideas you're defending.
Re:Italian court rules food theft 'not a crime' if hungry by KirinDave on Thursday May 05, 2016 @01:23AM (#11634166)
"I roll my eyes and say, 'because feminism'."

I think my degree of investment was entirely appropriate given the new turn of the discourse. But! But but but! As you were kind to me, I have paid it forward as well! I've actually offered an explanation.

Investigation of who I am talking to leads me to believe my first suggestion might still have more impact on their thinking though.

Re:Italian court rules food theft 'not a crime' if hungry by KirinDave on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @02:33AM (#11626613)
I do not trust the people here to give my perspective a fair chance. You're right. Why would I?

But also, I was on the bus and felt a prompt response was more useful than an exhaustive one.

Re:Italian court rules food theft 'not a crime' if hungry by lwhalen on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @06:44PM (#11632559)
Ahh yes, "because feminism". Why did I even bother to ask? :-)
Re:Italian court rules food theft 'not a crime' if hungry by KirinDave on Thursday May 05, 2016 @01:21AM (#11634160)
I have a spare moment, so I will do this. I don't expect you will find the argument compelling.

1. The concept that you can "steal a woman's heart from a man" implies a concept of ownership of the woman's heart by the man. Even metaphorically, this is a very toxic sort of thinking.

2. Implying that you should be able to "take possession" of a woman's affection from a man if you find him less worthy only doubles own on the woman's lack of agency in this scenario. That this language is old and from "a different time" is no defense.

3. Implying that this is in fact a good thing because "he abuses her," is a double whammy because it invokes a very negative cognitive resonance with "Why don't those bitches see I am a nice guy" reddit psychology (made famous by the UCSB incident) but also implies that a woman would need rescuing from what the third party man views as abusive because she's not capable of such an escape herself and needs a man to effect said escape.

We can talk about how co-dependency makes 3's secondary point more debatable if you're an expert in that subject matter, because it's morbidly fascinating.

But yes, ultimately "because feminism." Inasmuch as this sort of talk is at least as "offensive" as implying a man "only thinks with his small head." And while equally offensive, it has far more pernicious effects for women in a society that has so much inertia directed towards removing their autonomy (both of body and mind).

Ultimately, I think the author did this by accident. And that accidental misogyny is what I was commenting on. That's what we mean by "internalized". It's so natural that you can use loaded language and actively perpetuate stereotypes without even realizing you're doing it.

Re:Italian court rules food theft 'not a crime' if hungry by steego on Tuesday May 17, 2016 @12:06AM (#11711285)
FYI, there was a tongue-in-cheek implication of women as property. Consider the context. I'm making a point that property rights are not an unimpeachable moral imperative.

What I was embarrassed about was callously invoking domestic abuse and mixing it with a cheesy heroism cliche to make that point.

Re:Italian court rules food theft 'not a crime' if hungry by lwhalen on Thursday May 05, 2016 @02:31AM (#11634355)
Tumblr is that-a-way -> www.tumblr.com
Re:Italian court rules food theft 'not a crime' if hungry by KirinDave on Thursday May 05, 2016 @10:41AM (#11636484)
I do not understand, but figured from your post history that you would not be very receptive to the message.
Re:Italian court rules food theft 'not a crime' if hungry by wagglycocks on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @03:28PM (#11623501)
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