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Re:TV’s Dwindling Middle Class by VLM on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @08:28AM (#11619930)
Having lived thru that era, and having been a poor starving student around the time of Married with Children, my experience was they bolted on the poverty but never internalized it to the show. The characters clothing budget exceeded mine by a factor of perhaps 100, their house and possessions were fancier than my parents by a large factor (and my parents were pretty well off, wealthier than I'll ever be) and when they were not directly discussing finances their financial issues were laughed off at a level that would mean I'd end up homeless if it happened to me as a starving student.

Basically they were a rich family like the Cosby show but they loved to LARP that they were poor. A cheap cut-and-paste job where Bill isn't an OB/GYN or whatever he was, but cut and paste him as a retail show salesman without changing anything.

There's a good analogy with how soft sci fi is made, aka the bad stuff. Take a story from another genre and have a computer mechanically cut and paste it into "sci fi" without changing any aspect of the story beyond the crude cut and paste. Superficially shiny and signally, but the slightest attention shows it makes no sense.

From memory the pull the show had was crude language and motivations, in a non comedic manner. It was an appeal to the 80-90 IQ cohort, roughly. Its appeal wasn't the socioeconomic class they lived in, it was appealing to the fart joke demographic, and the producers figured they'd have to bolt on a shoe salesman job instead of OB/GYN because OB/GYNs don't talk like high school dropouts.

Re:TV’s Dwindling Middle Class by illumin8 on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @09:13AM (#11620275)
Why would your parents be wealthier than you'll ever be (unless of course they're extremely wealthy)? That seems like a very pessimistic attitude to have towards money and income.

I grew up in a lower middle class family and I'm wealthier than my parents ever were, just because I worked hard and improved myself, and went into technology where I could make an upper middle class salary.

Why would you want to resign yourself to being poor your whole life?

Re:TV’s Dwindling Middle Class by madgar on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @09:36AM (#11620465)
> and went into technology where I could make an upper middle class salary.

Not everybody can do that, in fact, most of America can't.

Re:TV’s Dwindling Middle Class by illumin8 on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @09:43AM (#11620527)
Bullshit - technology skills can be learned like any trade. Writing code does not require a 4 year CS degree.
Re:TV’s Dwindling Middle Class by staticint on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @10:18AM (#11620880)
But we are still bound to supply and demand. If everyone was a coder, price would plummet. Programmers are only currently able to do reasonably well because they are relatively limited in numbers compared to the demand for them.

It is very much impossible for most Americans to be coders while maintaining high incomes. The industry isn't anywhere near that big, currently employing less than 1% of the population. Even if it could grow by an order of magnitude, it still wouldn't absorb any meaningful portion of the population.

Re:TV’s Dwindling Middle Class by aedron on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @09:21AM (#11620343)
Even when I was 12 I found the show unbearably low-brow and condescending.
Re:TV’s Dwindling Middle Class by vidarh on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @09:43AM (#11620531)
They were basically low class, not lower class.
Re:TV’s Dwindling Middle Class by logfromblammo on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @11:21AM (#11621430)
They had crass, not class.

I think it was a similar situation as the Simpsons being neighbors to the Flanders. As I recall from that show, Ned Flanders actually earned less annual income than Homer Simpson, but had a nicer home and more wealth, because he spent it more prudently.

The implicit assumption in MWC is that no matter how much Al Bundy might earn, Peg and the kids would always spend 101% of it, leaving him with -1% to spend on himself. That makes Al, specifically, the poor guy in a lower-middle household; working all the time with nothing to show for it personally.