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Re:Putting the Tesla HEPA Filter and Bioweapon Defense Mode ... by RcouF1uZ4gsC on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @08:10AM (#11619810)
I think they are not testing with small enough particles. In the article, they test with PM 2.5 particles which would be around 2.5 micro meters. However, if you look at the table on page 11 of

http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/409903O/respiratory-prote...

Potential bio weapons such as smallpox, anthrax, influenza and the hemorrhagic viruses are far smaller than 2.5 microns.

Also, there are probably issues with the sensitivity of the detection equipment. If you look at the table on page 8 of

https://www.ll.mit.edu/publications/journal/pdf/vol12_no1/12...

And at the table at

http://www.siumed.edu/medicine/id/current_issues/bioTable2.p...

You will see that some of the biological agents can cause infection with as few as 10 particles. I doubt that the Tesla equipment could detect a concentration of 10 particles of these sizes.

This article is basically the biological equivalent of the I can't break my own crypto article.

>Bioweapon Defense Mode is not a marketing statement, it is real.

is false. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and the evidence of Bioweapons Defense Mode working is entirely lacking.

Re:Putting the Tesla HEPA Filter and Bioweapon Defense Mode ... by jonlucc on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @09:13AM (#11620278)
I also haven't thought of a case in which it matters to protect the interior of the car. I can't live in that car for more than a couple days without resupply (assuming I'm driving around with several cases of water which would be more than a little paranoid), so at some point I have to expose myself to the pathogens present on the outside of the vehicle.
Re:Putting the Tesla HEPA Filter and Bioweapon Defense Mode ... by kragen on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @09:43AM (#11620521)
In a couple of days, you could drive 3000 km away from the bioweapon attack, if you don't run out of battery. Even on a single charge, the Tesla's range is 370 km. Typically 1 km is more than enough to escape a bioweapon plume.
Re:Putting the Tesla HEPA Filter and Bioweapon Defense Mode ... by JshWright on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @09:51AM (#11620606)
In the event of a large scale bioweapon attack, every HazMat team within the range of a Tesla's battery will be busy dealing with the original incident. How do you plan to exit a contaminated car?
Re:Putting the Tesla HEPA Filter and Bioweapon Defense Mode ... by e12e on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @10:38AM (#11621062)
Well, you could drive around with water and a haz-mat suit in the car. Put the suit on, walk from the car to a decontamination shower. Or drive your car into a purpose built car-wash (I'm not sure it'd have to be purpose built, even. There are a number of chemicals and temperature ranges that are not so good for a human in a haz-mat suit that'd work well on a sealed car).

At any rate, I suspect that if you're the kind of paranoid elite that worries about escaping a bioweapon attack in your Tesla, you'll have your own converted nuclear silo to use as a safe-house. Presumably with suitable decontamination showers (for vehicles and people) at the entry points.

Re:Putting the Tesla HEPA Filter and Bioweapon Defense Mode ... by kragen on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @09:58AM (#11620687)
Before the hazmat teams arrive! What, are you going to wait around in the danger zone and keep breathing spores? I'll adopt your kids if they're good at scrubbing floors and cooking.
Re:Putting the Tesla HEPA Filter and Bioweapon Defense Mode ... by hinkley on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @10:44AM (#11621109)
You're the guy in the epidemic movies that breaks quarantine and kills another million people by sneaking the pathogen out of the hot zone.

Man I hate that guy.

If you breathed spores you're already infected. Your car can't help. And the spores on the outside get spread, plus the ones in your filter kill your automechanic and that starts the second wave.

Re:Putting the Tesla HEPA Filter and Bioweapon Defense Mode ... by kragen on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @12:16PM (#11621961)
Epidemic-causing pathogens like plague are nearly useless as bioweapons: they're more likely to kill the attacker (or their friends, family, or entire country) than the people they're trying to attack. Actual bioweapons are almost invariably things like anthrax, brucellosis, and botulinum, where person-to-person spread is rare or impossible, and which you're very likely to survive if you can keep your dose down and get treatment.

You shouldn't be getting your information about the world from movies — that can get you killed — and you especially shouldn't be criticizing people who know more than you on the basis of movie plots.

Re:Putting the Tesla HEPA Filter and Bioweapon Defense Mode ... by hinkley on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @01:02PM (#11622382)
Yes, and your car which has been in an anthrax spore cloud is safe to leave a quarantine area?

My movie analogy doesn't change the fact that you're inciting other people to break quarantine based upon a laughably incorrect assertion that somehow an air filter makes you and your vehicle safe for other people. Talk about a criminally dangerous sense of entitlement.

Re:Putting the Tesla HEPA Filter and Bioweapon Defense Mode ... by JshWright on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @10:46AM (#11621125)
It's not the arrival of the HazMat team that makes the car unsafe to exit... It is the contamination present on the outside of the car. You are bringing the 'danger zone' with you (and exposing countless other people who would not have otherwise been exposed as you drive around)
Re:Putting the Tesla HEPA Filter and Bioweapon Defense Mode ... by hinkley on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @08:42PM (#11625384)
You aren't IN the danger zone. You ARE the danger zone!
Re:Putting the Tesla HEPA Filter and Bioweapon Defense Mode ... by JshWright on Wednesday May 04, 2016 @10:07AM (#11628433)
I prefer to be on the highway [away from] the danger zone!
Re:Putting the Tesla HEPA Filter and Bioweapon Defense Mode ... by JulianMorrison on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @10:29AM (#11620988)
In real life, it will keep out smog and pollen. People with asthma and hay fever will love it.
Re:Putting the Tesla HEPA Filter and Bioweapon Defense Mode ... by jonlucc on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @12:39PM (#11622173)
I agree completely, but that's explicitly not what Musk is saying.
Re:Putting the Tesla HEPA Filter and Bioweapon Defense Mode ... by beachstartup on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @10:47AM (#11621132)
lots of people keep a pack of bottled water in the car. if not for paranoid reasons, then for general convenience.
Re:Putting the Tesla HEPA Filter and Bioweapon Defense Mode ... by jonlucc on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @12:38PM (#11622164)
Sure, but to live in the car long enough for water to not be the limiting factor, it'd take a couple cases I'd think.