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Re:WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide T... by wslh on Monday May 02, 2016 @04:21PM (#11615220)
> You can disagree with the law, but the law is there.

There is something called Civil disobedience (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience) and surely if you analyze every law system it contradicts itself.

Re:WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide T... by return0 on Monday May 02, 2016 @04:28PM (#11615281)
So, Facebook, a participant in PRISM, is now conducting civil disobedience. Totally believable.
Re:WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide T... by Zarel on Monday May 02, 2016 @04:56PM (#11615538)
Yahoo is also a participant in PRISM, and fought as hard as they could against it in secret court.

https://www.wired.com/2014/09/feds-yahoo-fine-prism/

I think it's safe to assume that all companies involved in PRISM aren't happy with it and tried their hardest to fight it.

Re:WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide T... by shawn-butler on Monday May 02, 2016 @07:36PM (#11616696)
That isn't the same thing as civil disobedience
Re:WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide T... by wslh on Monday May 02, 2016 @04:33PM (#11615339)
I was not talking about Facebook but about Brazilians.

Also, following your reasoning, if Facebook was a participant in PRISM, does it mean they don't have any right to fight? Privacy is at stake here, Facebook is only one problem instance.

Re:WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide T... by sangnoir on Monday May 02, 2016 @04:44PM (#11615432)
> Privacy is at stake here

Are you arguing against the use of warrants in police investigations?

Re:WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide T... by MajesticHobo on Monday May 02, 2016 @05:00PM (#11615571)
WhatsApp is the most popular end-to-end encrypted chat app in the world. Shutting it down for 100 million people not suspected or charged with any crime is an incredibly disproportionate, privacy-thwarting response to not being able to access user data in one criminal investigation.
Re:WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide T... by sangnoir on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @10:33AM (#11621021)
> Shutting it down for 100 million people not suspected or charged with any crime is an incredibly disproportionate, privacy-thwarting response to not being able to access user data in one criminal investigation.

What proportional recourse do you suggest when Whatsapp are effectively in contempt of court (in absentia)? In most jurisdictions, obstructing the course of justice usually has heavy penalties.

Re:WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide T... by wslh on Monday May 02, 2016 @05:06PM (#11615605)
I am against the use of warrants when there is nothing to search...
Re:WhatsApp, Used by 100M Brazilians, Shut Down Nationwide T... by sangnoir on Tuesday May 03, 2016 @10:31AM (#11621002)
> I am against the use of warrants when there is nothing to search...

End to end encrypting doesn't magically cause metadata to disappear. IP addresses, the times messages were sent and received are still useful to law enforcement. In this instance, the court want the IP address of the accused so they can follow up with the ISP.

I prefer warrants written out for specific individuals to dragnet surveillance.