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Re:TTIP Leaks by kspaans on Monday May 02, 2016 @11:22AM (#11612124)
> 4. The conversations happen in secret.

Not commenting on any other aspects of TTIP, but they happen in secret for a reason.[0][1][2] Most trade negotiations are secret too, and if the whole process was public there would be too much bikeshedding and pressure on the negotiators.

EDIT: forgot to include a TL;DR summary of why they are secret. Fixed NPR link

0 - http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/06/26/417851577/episo...

1 - http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2015/08/random-t...

2 - http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2015/08/random-t...

Re:TTIP Leaks by Analemma_ on Monday May 02, 2016 @12:31PM (#11612901)
> and if the whole process was public there would be too much bikeshedding and pressure on the negotiators.

That's a feature, not a bug. Whence this argument that trade negotiations are somehow different from every single other aspect of good governance? For all other mechanisms of government, everyone agrees that transparency is a vital mechanism for preventing corruption, and that whatever inefficiencies it introduces into the system are a necessary evil. Yet somehow free trade agreements operate on a different set of rules; even though time after time it's been shown that this invites boatloads of the exact corruption that government transparency is meant to combat. [source: every TPP/TTIP leak thus far]

Re:TTIP Leaks by btreecat on Monday May 02, 2016 @12:45PM (#11613030)
Literally having the exact same conversion on reddit. You are right, it is a feature not a bug.
Re:TTIP Leaks by astazangasta on Monday May 02, 2016 @11:32AM (#11612252)
I fucking hate these arguments, that "we need secrecy to negotiate effectively". The problem is, the negotiations are "effective" on behalf of corporations, not the public. Yes, they happen in secret for a reason, but that's not a reason we're bound to respect.
Re:TTIP Leaks by ASalazarMX on Monday May 02, 2016 @11:49AM (#11612448)
If only "in secret" really meant "only between diplomats" and not "hidden from the public but not corporations".
Re:TTIP Leaks by Zigurd on Monday May 02, 2016 @07:53PM (#11616777)
That might be true in theory. In fact, secrecy is used to hide a vast array of horrors and ram them through under the cover of "trade liberalization."
Re:TTIP Leaks by jsprogrammer on Monday May 02, 2016 @11:36AM (#11612299)
The first link doesn't even discuss secrecy, unless the implicit reason is, "because negotiator's lie".
Re:TTIP Leaks by kspaans on Monday May 02, 2016 @11:39AM (#11612319)
Thanks, that was indeed the wrong NPR story. Fixed!