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Re:Ask HN: Is getting into a top ~5 CS PhD program possible ... by smt88 on Sunday May 01, 2016 @12:17PM (#11606745)
I read recently that CS PhDs are having a very hard time finding jobs. I might be mistaken. That's an assumption you may want to verify -- that getting a PhD will result in the kind of job you want.
Re:Ask HN: Is getting into a top ~5 CS PhD program possible ... by pyvek on Sunday May 01, 2016 @02:51PM (#11607375)
garkimasera's comment seems to be shadowbanned, so I'm re-posting his comment for visibility.

Ideally, I'd go to one of the top 4 departments: Stanford, MIT, Berkeley, CMU. Graduates of top universities with decent skills don't have a hard time finding jobs. I'll probably add Columbia and Harvard (middling departments, strong lay prestige) as (irony here) "safety schools". A quant fund isn't going to know the difference between a Harvard CS PhD and one from MIT (or might put Harvard higher).

Anything below the top 20 (and it's top 10 in the rest of STEM and top 1-2 in humanities) has to be purely for the education, though. You're right that a #40 PhD, while the educational program is probably fine, won't fix your career.

Also, the academic job market is terrible and that does not change if you have a PhD from an elite department. That's not what I'm aiming for.

Re:Ask HN: Is getting into a top ~5 CS PhD program possible ... by argonaut on Sunday May 01, 2016 @11:07PM (#11609008)
A quant fund is almost certainly going to know the difference, since it's filled with professional researchers. That being said, Harvard CS is still top 20, and your publication record will probably matter more.
Re:Ask HN: Is getting into a top ~5 CS PhD program possible ... by closure on Sunday May 01, 2016 @07:43PM (#11608374)
On this point, I wouldn't say that CS PhDs are necessarily having a hard time finding jobs but rather CS PhDs aren't by themselves particular valued in industry so you generally aren't going to get your time and money's worth immediately after graduating (i.e. you'll get paid somewhat less than someone who spent the same amount of time in industry that you spend getting the PhD).

What it can get you is opportunities that people without the PhD don't have available (like corporate research teams that only hire people with PhDs or put them into a separate class called "researchers" vs. other people who are hired strictly to write code).

Whether it helps you longer term in the positions that are available to non-PhD holders entirely depends on you. I've seen plenty of people with PhDs struggle to advance and plenty without PhDs excel while working in the same environment.

Re:Ask HN: Is getting into a top ~5 CS PhD program possible ... by garkimasera on Sunday May 01, 2016 @12:35PM (#11606808)
Ideally, I'd go to one of the top 4 departments: Stanford, MIT, Berkeley, CMU. Graduates of top universities with decent skills don't have a hard time finding jobs. I'll probably add Columbia and Harvard (middling departments, strong lay prestige) as (irony here) "safety schools". A quant fund isn't going to know the difference between a Harvard CS PhD and one from MIT (or might put Harvard higher).

Anything below the top 20 (and it's top 10 in the rest of STEM and top 1-2 in humanities) has to be purely for the education, though. You're right that a #40 PhD, while the educational program is probably fine, won't fix your career.

Also, the academic job market is terrible and that does not change if you have a PhD from an elite department. That's not what I'm aiming for.