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Re:Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its pr... by benologist on Friday April 29, 2016 @03:41PM (#11598234)
Bezos is a much more accomplished business man -

Tesla has ~3,000 employees

SpaceX has ~5,000

Solar City has ~13,000

PayPal has ~13,000

Total: 34,000 as they stand today which is a very generous measure since it's years after Musk left PayPal and he doesn't even work at Solar City afaik.

Amazon has ~222,000 employees, roughly 8x larger than all of those companies combined, not even counting Blue Origin, WaPo, or w/e else Bezos owns, and they did $107,000,000,000 revenue last year, slightly more than all of Musk's companies' combined value.

http://www.geekwire.com/2015/huge-growth-amazon-reaches-2224...

Re:Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its pr... by brightball on Friday April 29, 2016 @04:58PM (#11598709)
Employee count should get some heavy value since the real benefit to society from most companies comes from payouts to the rest of the economy via payroll and stock.

Unless we're enabling larger ecosystems around what they've done that creates even more. So far I'm seeing very little in terms of ecosystem around Musk's companies. On the contrary, he seems more focussed on doing exactly the opposite (like Tesla's focus on going around local car dealers).

Re:Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its pr... by rgbrgb on Friday April 29, 2016 @05:29PM (#11598894)
That's kind of a 0-sum outlook on the role of businesses in society (gather wealth to distribute to employees). Most of the businesses we're talking about are benefiting society not through job creation but through technology creation. Google is not important because they employ tens of thousands of engineers, they're important because Search benefits general knowledge and decision making of everyone with an internet connection. Likewise Amazon, Tesla, SpaceX are pushing humanity forward through invention.
Re:Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its pr... by brightball on Friday April 29, 2016 @11:23PM (#11600186)
Much technology creation results in a surrounding ecosystem.

Google search enables the people and ideas that are found on the other end of it. People pay for ads to help their businesses to be found which provides value for them and helps those other business to create jobs as well as profits to investors.

Amazon also enables the people selling good through it. AWS enables a lot of people via technology and resulted in an entire ecosystem around what it does.

Tesla is making electric cars, which is great. They're employing fewer people and doing very little in the way of surrounding ecosystem. The closest thing happening there is the Powerwall home batteries that create some opportunities for electricians. They did open up the specs for batteries though and that definitely could create some type of ecosystem, but that remains to be seen.

SpaceX won't be creating an ecosystem anytime soon. Maybe one day and it's certainly worthwhile R&D but the value to society is harder to find.

I'm sure it will happen eventually, but where things stand now Bezos stands as much more accomplished.

Re:Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its pr... by Spooky23 on Friday April 29, 2016 @07:03PM (#11599298)
This is one of the things that Henry Ford got right. If nobody can afford to buy anything, you don't need any engineers.
Re:Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its pr... by thaumasiotes on Friday April 29, 2016 @10:08PM (#11600006)
Multiple mistakes in your comment:

It is not possible to be making things that nobody can afford to buy. This is because consuming or otherwise using something that already exists has no real cost. This is Say's Law ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Say's_law ).

And Henry Ford paid his workers a high wage because he tried a low wage and had massive, business-crippling problems with employee turnover. Working on an assembly line is hell. One minute of analysis will show that it can never be more profitable to a company to sell product to its own paid workers than to just not make the product in the first place.

Re:Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its pr... by wycx on Saturday April 30, 2016 @10:24AM (#11601793)
I note the following from the reference you provide:

Today, most mainstream economists reject Say's law.

...and it would be hard to accuse mainstream economists today of all being Keynesians.

edit: <i> to asterisk

Re:Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its pr... by takno on Friday April 29, 2016 @07:32PM (#11599424)
Most of Amazon's employees are firmly in the race-to-the-bottom category, stock pickers barely making minimum wage on zero hours contracts. It's not something to be especially proud of
Re:Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its pr... by rgbrgb on Friday April 29, 2016 @04:45PM (#11598635)
IDK, employee count seems like a red herring. To me it's much more impressive to do a lot with a small number of employees (like WhatsApp's 18M users/engineer [0]). Amazon incredibly impressive, I just mark the high employee count as a point against them rather than in their favor.

[0]: http://www.wired.com/2015/09/whatsapp-serves-900-million-use...

Re:Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its pr... by benologist on Friday April 29, 2016 @05:06PM (#11598770)
There's some notes about how Whatsapp achieved that here [1], they attribute their capacity in part to Erlang's concurrency and in part to cloud hosting with SoftLayer. Amazon is the origin of SoftLayer's cloud services and single biggest reason one engineer can manage arbitrary numbers of servers/users:

    The popularization of the term can be traced to 2006 when 
    Amazon.com introduced its Elastic Compute Cloud. [2]
[1] http://research.dyn.com/2014/03/global-consumerwhatsapp/

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing#History_of_clo...

Re:Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its pr... by serge2k on Friday April 29, 2016 @05:37PM (#11598938)
Except most of those are fulfillment center employees anyway. Plus they are working on the robots.
Re:Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its pr... by wott on Friday April 29, 2016 @08:41PM (#11599696)
> PayPal has ~13,000

What do these people do? I mean, for the other companies you quoted, there are physical products to be designed, manufactured, mounted or moved, I get it. But Paypal?

Re:Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its pr... by vacri on Friday April 29, 2016 @10:35PM (#11600068)
Customer complaints don't just ignore themselves!
Re:Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its pr... by kevin_thibedeau on Friday April 29, 2016 @09:18PM (#11599827)
Most of those are employees of Integrity staffing, not Amazon. The company that makes Wal-mart look like the paragon of worker empowerment.
Re:Why is Amazon all of a sudden not re-investing all its pr... by serge2k on Friday April 29, 2016 @05:07PM (#11598774)
Yeah but he's not as cool as Elon Musk (AKA LITERALLY TONY STARK).

People want a Tesla. SpaceX (and I do like this) is really open compared to Jeff SECRECY! Bezos' Blue Origin.