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Re:Email privacy bill unanimously passes U.S. House by coldtea on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @09:19PM (#11585970)
>Hm, kinda strange, I was always under the impression that we didn't quite yet have a public consensus that there's an expectation of privacy in email. Like, not everyone really expects that a given email won't be read by some third party.

Never understood those US ideas on such matters. Nobody would want/expect/wont be furious to find out their two party communication was read by somebody else who wasn't meant to get it (and I don't mean show to some third person by your correspondent).

It's not gauging the public belief/sentiment on the matter, but BS ad-hoc "interpretations" of legacy laws allowed courts/pundits to even make such inane claims that people don't expect privacy for their mails.

If we're talking about expectations, then how about them asking people what they expect DIRECTLY (eg with a state/national poll) instead of some court deciding.

Re:Email privacy bill unanimously passes U.S. House by rayiner on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @10:02PM (#11586130)
I think you fail to account for the fact that we are talking about Constitutional issues. We are not talking about what is an appropriate level of privacy protection under the law. We are talking about what is the minimum standard where a 200-year old document trumps the policies of a democratically elected government.

We are also deciding that question on the basis of a phrase ("reasonable expectation of privacy") that doesn't even appear in that 200 year old document.

Re:Email privacy bill unanimously passes U.S. House by briandear on Thursday April 28, 2016 @03:07AM (#11586969)
That 200 year old document IS the policy of a democratically elected government. The age of the document has no relevance. It's just as valid today as it has ever been.
Re:Email privacy bill unanimously passes U.S. House by coldtea on Thursday April 28, 2016 @08:23AM (#11588246)
Well, I wouldn't put much emphasis on "democratically elected government".

Between gerrymandering, faulty or "faulty" voting machines, modern campaign practices that require millions of dollars to run and stick your "branding" to the minds of voters, and even more important, a system that pretty much guarantees no-one can rise to validly compete grass-roots unless they belong to the two parties -- it's nothing to write home about.

That a 200+ year old document is held as some kind of "holy scripture" of governance and that centuries old dead statesmen are seen in a romantic light as "founding fathers" and guiding spirits (paternalism much?), is even less indicating of a rational modern democracy.

Re:Email privacy bill unanimously passes U.S. House by coldpie on Thursday April 28, 2016 @07:55AM (#11588095)
> It's just as valid today as it has ever been.

This line of thinking is the source of lots of problems. The document has been amended 27 times. It's not infallible.

Re:Email privacy bill unanimously passes U.S. House by SilasX on Wednesday April 27, 2016 @09:42PM (#11586046)
I was being sarcastic, since everyone knows exactly how people would react to their emails being read by an unattended human, and exactly how much privacy the typical person expects, but Poe's Law and all...
Re:Email privacy bill unanimously passes U.S. House by jessaustin on Thursday April 28, 2016 @08:40AM (#11588340)
Yes in this case you were too cool for school. You gotta give us some hint. Look at poor 'rayiner up there, sincerely defending your sarcastic proposition!