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Re:Silver Needle in the Skype by dlsspy on Saturday February 27, 2010 @04:20PM (#1155862)
This is insanity. They're giving away the software, but have put incredible amounts of engineering into making sure nobody can know how it works. The parts where they make money have little to nothing to do with this.

I've stopped paying for skype service because of the features they force me to have on. One of my "final straw" bugs has been opened since 2007. And it's trivial. How much anti-reverse engineering work has gone in since then?

I'm sure I'd pay them again if I could actually do my own build of a skype client with some of the behaviors I don't like modified.

Re:Silver Needle in the Skype by MichaelGlass on Saturday February 27, 2010 @05:19PM (#1155936)
one of the nice things about skype is that it always works. Have a firewall? Skype will find a way through it. If it were completely reverse engineered, it might be easier to filters its traffic. they say they can DOS skype on a network but at what cost?
Re:Silver Needle in the Skype by dlsspy on Saturday February 27, 2010 @08:11PM (#1156169)
I don't agree that exploiting firewall bugs justifies so much effort in keeping me from understanding what's running on my computer vs. just making it better.
Re:Silver Needle in the Skype by Keyframe on Saturday February 27, 2010 @04:22PM (#1155863)
I have lots of shit installed on my computers (no really, shit - not stuff). I don't have problems with, like some people have, Silverlight or whatever people refuse to install for whatever reasons. But one thing I don't have installed is skype. Skype, for some reason, just scares me and doesn't feel right. I can't explain it. I had it installed on one of my laptops while I was travelling heavily and it felt like computer was bogged down by it, even though it had almost nothing installed on it. Call me paranoid - and I never am.
Re:Silver Needle in the Skype by tensor on Saturday February 27, 2010 @06:15PM (#1156002)
Summary: irrational fear of Skype.
Re:Silver Needle in the Skype by ShabbyDoo on Saturday February 27, 2010 @11:03PM (#1156409)
So, why did Skype go to all this trouble? It seems that their main asset is the brand and ownership of the user database. So, why would it matter to them if alternative clients were built? It's not as if SIP-based services were not an alternative.

Perhaps Skype went to all this trouble to achieve network effects? If it was easy to block Skype traffic, maybe it would not have become the "standard" it is today. The it-just-works feature was likely most critical to success, and that might only have been achieved through obfuscation.

So, I get the network-level obfuscation, but I don't see a case for code obfuscation. Why should Skype care if it owns the client? It's not like they're pushing ads upon their users or otherwise marketing too heavily.

Re:Silver Needle in the Skype by shrughes on Saturday February 27, 2010 @10:37PM (#1156375)
It would be interesting to see what a comparison of the obfuscation techniques of Continuum, Kazaa, and Skype would look like.
Re:Silver Needle in the Skype by alq on Saturday February 27, 2010 @06:41PM (#1156045)
Excellent analysis, must have been quite an exciting project to hack skype into bits to understand the countermeasures.
Re:Silver Needle in the Skype by thristian on Sunday February 28, 2010 @12:38AM (#1156513)
This looks like a brief fast forward through the Vanilla Skype presentations by the same authors. If you want to know even more of the terrible details, the slide PDFs are linked from the bottom of the "Skype protocol" page on Wikipedia:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_protocol
Re:Silver Needle in the Skype by MichaelGlass on Saturday February 27, 2010 @05:17PM (#1155935)
very interesting but also (very) old news.