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Re:FBI Paid More Than $1M to Hack San Bernardino iPhone by ikeboy on Thursday April 21, 2016 @08:21PM (#11546262)
Public funds purchased the phone. I'm not sure what you mean?
Re:FBI Paid More Than $1M to Hack San Bernardino iPhone by rubyfan on Thursday April 21, 2016 @09:30PM (#11546493)
"public funds" is not a single shared bucket of loot that everyone puts into. In this case it was a county owned device.

County governments are typically recognized incorporated organizations that have no real line of authority or connection with the federal government.

So no, the FBI or federal doesn't have some ownership claim that makes it ok to break into. As others point out they have basically seized the device from its owner in the course of investigation.

Re:FBI Paid More Than $1M to Hack San Bernardino iPhone by ikeboy on Thursday April 21, 2016 @09:36PM (#11546513)
Unless the county was forced to hand it over, this is not relevant.
Re:FBI Paid More Than $1M to Hack San Bernardino iPhone by rubyfan on Friday April 22, 2016 @06:38AM (#11548200)
can you explain the comment on relevance a bit more? You said it twice but I'm not seeing your point.

Regarding the Director's double speak I think it is relevant. The FBI or federal government is still not the owner. Regardless of whether the device was seized or surrendered the property is still owned by the county.

> What he's saying is "we want it both ways". We don't want to take away security for users, we just want to make it easier for someone who's not the owner of the phone to get into it.

Re:FBI Paid More Than $1M to Hack San Bernardino iPhone by ikeboy on Friday April 22, 2016 @06:50AM (#11548234)
If they have permission from the owner, it's wrong to describe it as trying to get into "someone else's phone". There's no expectation of privacy in a government owned phone.
Re:FBI Paid More Than $1M to Hack San Bernardino iPhone by newjersey on Friday April 22, 2016 @08:21AM (#11548555)
Who decides paying $1M to get access to a government owned device is appropriate use of public money though?

Why didn't they go through proper channels? Why did they reset the iCloud passwords? What steps have they taken to prevent this from happening in the future?

The FBI is doing a lot of hand waving and there is no accountability. Where are all those fiscal conservatives when we need them?

Re:FBI Paid More Than $1M to Hack San Bernardino iPhone by kernel_task on Friday April 22, 2016 @12:00PM (#11550128)
In my personal experience with an iPhone, it will not backup to iCloud without wifi and it will not connect to wifi without having the passcode entered at least once since boot. According to the government, the device was found powered off. If that is true, the iCloud backup would never have worked.

The government ran its own tests of the scenarios and found that to be true: https://www.scribd.com/doc/303759192/Declaration-by-Stacey-P... (paragraphs 37-39)

Apple's engineer's response left that assertion unchallenged (while challenging other stuff wrong with paragraphs 37-39, see his paragraphs 32-33): https://www.scribd.com/doc/304898553/SUPPLEMENTAL-DECLARATIO...

Of course, you can choose not to believe the government that the phone was found powered off (http://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Apple-govt-R...), but I think you'd have to pick and choose what you're willing to believe and not believe from what the government have said.

Finally, even though it wouldn't have helped, it's clear Pluhar's team did not consider the iCloud backup possibility when they were making their examination, so they very well could have screwed this up. It's just that they didn't in this case.

It's also possible the phone was actually found powered on and the battery was drained and it turned off by the time Pluhar's team examined it the same day. It wasn't mentioned if anyone checked it and tried to make sure it was kept charged (probably not). I imagine it might be difficult to train the officers on the ground about mobile device forensics best practices, since they change fairly frequently.

Re:FBI Paid More Than $1M to Hack San Bernardino iPhone by ikeboy on Friday April 22, 2016 @08:33AM (#11548618)
Re:FBI Paid More Than $1M to Hack San Bernardino iPhone by newjersey on Friday April 22, 2016 @09:09AM (#11548806)
I would not trust their word over Apple's because Apple has a better insight of the situation.

The whole thing was a very poor allocation of resources. Of course, those whose promotions and maybe even jobs are on the line will fight back any claim of incompetence or malice.

Re:FBI Paid More Than $1M to Hack San Bernardino iPhone by ikeboy on Friday April 22, 2016 @09:16AM (#11548859)
Huh? Apple has no idea what's on the phone, how could they have better info than the FBI on this?
Re:FBI Paid More Than $1M to Hack San Bernardino iPhone by Taniwha on Thursday April 21, 2016 @09:13PM (#11546448)
The phone is evidence in a police investigation, they didn't buy it, while its owners are dead surely it belongs to their hiers? or does that whole rule of law thing mean nothing
Re:FBI Paid More Than $1M to Hack San Bernardino iPhone by uptown on Thursday April 21, 2016 @09:23PM (#11546474)
The phone was a work phone issued by the San Bernardino Health Department, so no - the heirs of the killers didn't assume ownership of the phone. It was always the property of the San Bernardino Health Department.
Re:FBI Paid More Than $1M to Hack San Bernardino iPhone by ikeboy on Thursday April 21, 2016 @09:24PM (#11546478)