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Re:Born for it – How the image of software developers came a... by onion2k on Thursday April 21, 2016 @03:26AM (#11540217)
All the nerdy types flocked to her and were very inclusive with team projects.

That woman would have had to question why the nerdy types were so keen to include her. There's a huge difference between a motive of "Let's invite someone to our team because they're a great engineer" and "Let's invite someone to our team because they're hot and they might agree to date me once they really know me".

Being keen to include someone is great if it's for the right reasons.

Re:Born for it – How the image of software developers came a... by kabouseng on Thursday April 21, 2016 @06:31AM (#11540865)
Damned if you do, damned if you don't...
Re:Born for it – How the image of software developers came a... by sgift on Thursday April 21, 2016 @06:50AM (#11540944)
That were my thoughts too .. if they had ignored her "You see, nerds ignore women and make them feel unwelcome", now "see, they are creeps, that makes woman feel unwelcome" - and if you ask "what is your solution?" "They should behave normal." which is the most useless answer ever. If I ask ten people about normal behaviour in a given situation I get ten answers and if I drill a bit further more like 40 answers, almost all probably starting with something like "Well, in this context .." or "If you frame it this way .."

One could almost think that human behaviour is complex, but only almost .. everything is black and white, go on, nothing to see here. /s

Re:Born for it – How the image of software developers came a... by onion2k on Thursday April 21, 2016 @09:49AM (#11542076)
Human behaviour is complex, but that doesn't mean there aren't some basic universal truths that will always help. Things like "Don't treat every attractive person you meet as a potential sexual partner. Use behaviour appropriate to the context you're meeting them in. An engineering class is not a social gathering."
Re:Born for it – How the image of software developers came a... by sgift on Thursday April 21, 2016 @10:21AM (#11542322)
> Human behaviour is complex, but that doesn't mean there aren't some basic universal truths that will always help

I thought that too once, then I learned that not everyone thinks people should have access to adequate food, shelter and medical care. I've since stopped from assuming anything when dealing with humans. People never cease to amaze me in their sheer capacity to be abyssimal to each other.

(Warning, potential topic derailment lies ahead ..)

Re:Born for it – How the image of software developers came a... by icebraining on Thursday April 21, 2016 @06:56AM (#11540972)
On the other hand, just because the solution is unclear, doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist.
Re:Born for it – How the image of software developers came a... by sgift on Thursday April 21, 2016 @07:04AM (#11541020)
Certainly, but almost everything can be redefined as a problem, because almost everything can be a problem. In a given context.

For a problem you need a problem definition or things get very murky, very fast and you end in "just do the normal thing" territory, which is what I wanted to highlight with my comment above.

Re:Born for it – How the image of software developers came a... by exclusiv on Thursday April 21, 2016 @11:47AM (#11543022)
Exactly.

I'd love to see an experiment where they put one female in a class of men of various backgrounds and aspirations. Perhaps: liberal arts class, Ag class, business class, etc. and see what happens.

I'd be willing to bet that the engineering class would be the most respectful.