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Re:Tesla Model X owners finding car doors won’t shut, window... by userbinator on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @10:53PM (#11539326)
Or alternatively, you're trying to get out and neither the doors nor windows will open. To add more excitement, you really have to go to the washroom.

This is why I believe there should always be a mechanical override for safety-critical features; locks, brakes, steering. I trust hardware far more than software.

Re:Tesla Model X owners finding car doors won’t shut, window... by stordoff on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @11:34PM (#11539501)
I don't disagree, but it is worth remembering that purely hardware systems aren't foolproof either. I had a fuel pump fail on my old car (would be 15+ years old if I still had it), and it took out the brakes and steering at the same time (virtually standing on the brakes to slow down at all, and I ended up running the car off the road as I couldn't physically brake or turn the wheel enough to stay on the road).
Re:Tesla Model X owners finding car doors won’t shut, window... by dllthomas on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @10:55PM (#11539332)
I don't know that I trust hardware more, but hardware is roughly equally involved in any case...
Re:Tesla Model X owners finding car doors won’t shut, window... by userbinator on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @11:09PM (#11539386)
I meant hardware in the "old-school" sense of physical linkages and hydraulics, not computer hardware whose behaviour is controlled by some massively complex blob of software.

For example, if I pull the door handle of my car, it directly activates the latch, and the only way that could fail is if something physically breaks or jams. It's not just a switch sending a signal to some "brain" in between that could just decide, deliberately or otherwise, to not honour my "I want the door to open" request.

People are often surprised to learn that, despite me making a living off software development, my daily driver is one that has exactly zero lines of code controlling it.

Re:Tesla Model X owners finding car doors won’t shut, window... by dllthomas on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @11:21PM (#11539435)
I meant hardware in the same sense as you. My point was that even if we assume the brain (borrowing your metaphor) makes no mistakes, introducing it does not reduce the amount of physical breakage and jammage that is likely to occur.

You're not choosing hardware over software, here - in which case I might choose differently - you're choosing to eliminate an entire link in the chain. That's always going to be a win for reliability.

Re:Tesla Model X owners finding car doors won’t shut, window... by mehrdada on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @11:31PM (#11539485)
Perhaps "trustworthiness" is not the best word for the concept. I'm not sure mechanical hardware is more trustworthy (mechanical stuff also fail often and can be unreliable), but their behavior is somewhat more malleable by the user (i.e. via extra force), as opposed to complex blackbox electronics/software.

I think we need a good term to describe this specific kind of trustworthiness.

Re:Tesla Model X owners finding car doors won’t shut, window... by chillingeffect on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @11:39PM (#11539513)
nice... what do you drive? muscle car?
Re:Tesla Model X owners finding car doors won’t shut, window... by stillworks on Thursday April 21, 2016 @05:52AM (#11540706)
cycle ?
Re:Tesla Model X owners finding car doors won’t shut, window... by hundchenkatze on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @11:08PM (#11539382)
Yep, that's what scares me about the "drive by wire" systems standard on most cars today. Oh, and to add even more excitement, the car is on fire and the doors/windows won't open.
Re:Tesla Model X owners finding car doors won’t shut, window... by nommm-nommm on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @11:54PM (#11539574)
One should always keep a tool in the car in reach to use to break the windows in case of emergency.

I am not sure mechanical hardware is less likely to fail than software. For example, ford recalled door latches for a mechanical problem - https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2015... what is worse is my friend can't get the door latch replaced on her ford because "the part's on backorder."

Re:Tesla Model X owners finding car doors won’t shut, window... by Already__Taken on Thursday April 21, 2016 @05:35AM (#11540659)
You can smash the window by driving the pillars of the headrest down into the door to the edge of the glass. Twist down to start a crack at the weak edge and the whole tempered sheet will shatter.

https://youtu.be/tZTa8Nh0VlE?t=25