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Re:How Americans Became So Sensitive to Harm by willvarfar on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @07:24AM (#11533585)
> As a different example, you could look at the issue of badger culls it fox hunting in the UK. The most outspoken people against both aren't from the countryside, have never kept cattle or been on hunts, don't understand (or want to think too much) about the issues involved, but know that badgers and foxes are cute.

So I'm guessing you are from the countryside and you think its ok to hunt foxes and badgers?

Just to balance things up, I'm from Suffolk which is as countryside as you can get and I don't know anyone who thinks its ok to hunt. I also don't know anyone who'd say they "kept cattle" rather than "kept cows", so I guess we're not from quite the same countryside? :)

Re:How Americans Became So Sensitive to Harm by petewailes on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @08:50AM (#11533961)
Suffolk boy myself (though Welsh by birth and parentage). I suspect that's more because Suffolk isn't traditionally a hunting area. However, where my fiancée is from, is, so I get both sides of the argument.

Re. badgers, my problem is that the work that's been done on the trial culls has been so badly managed that it's hard to say one way or the other whether it's working or not. Quarantine and cattle culling in Wales seems to be having a positive effect on TB spread, but at huge economic damage to farmers.

Re. foxes, my issue there is that the hunt ban is an awful piece of legislation, that neither protects foxes, nor helps those who have have dozens of hunt dogs. I'm fine with either legalising it (it's not a great past-time, but there's far worse and it's an effective way of controlling fox populations in localised areas), or with banning it (there's other ways to keep populations in check, although none are humane).

My issue is with town and city folk who didn't grow up in the countryside not understanding that it's land which has to be managed.

Re:How Americans Became So Sensitive to Harm by willvarfar on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @09:23AM (#11534144)
(Suffolk is very much a traditional fox hunting area. There are plenty of hunts. Toffs on horseback in red jacket affairs.)
Re:How Americans Became So Sensitive to Harm by petewailes on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @09:33AM (#11534219)
Bits of it are (or more accurately bits of the population are). Depends who you hang around with. The garage where I used to have my car serviced had hunts go past there.

If you look at the number of hunts in East Anglia vs the south west, midlands or north west, it's nothing like the same number. And when you consider the population differences, it's even more stark. There's hunts in Suffolk, sure. Just not as much as lots of the rest of the UK.

Also, as an addendum, describing people who hunt as "toffs" sort of doesn't work very well once you've actually known the people who do it. 100 years ago, it'd have been an vaguely accurate assessment, but nowadays it's pretty hard to argue. A red jacket does not a landed gentleman make.

Re:How Americans Became So Sensitive to Harm by CPLX on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @12:22PM (#11535522)
You Brits are so quaint and civilized. Here in the states we're still debating the legality of hunting humans who wander into a gated subdivision.
Re:How Americans Became So Sensitive to Harm by alex_hitchins on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @08:18AM (#11533798)
>I don't know anyone who thinks its ok to hunt

For fun or for necessity?

Re:How Americans Became So Sensitive to Harm by DanBC on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @05:55PM (#11538048)
Hunt in this context is "ride to hounds", or fox hunting, on horseback, with dogs.
Re:How Americans Became So Sensitive to Harm by willvarfar on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @09:20AM (#11534130)
For fun. There really isn't any necessity in fox hunting.