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Re:Cisco’s Attempt to Dodge Responsibility for Facilitating ... by ultramancool on Tuesday April 19, 2016 @05:24PM (#11530570)
How about "it's just a tool"? You could say the same thing about knives, cars, Tor, Bitcoin or the Internet itself if you wanted.

You can't blame a creator for how a finished product is used. Their vision might greatly differ or it might not exist at all.

Re:Cisco’s Attempt to Dodge Responsibility for Facilitating ... by djrogers on Tuesday April 19, 2016 @07:05PM (#11531180)
In this case though, the tool only had one purpose, and the creator knew exactly what the buyer would be doing with it.
Re:Cisco’s Attempt to Dodge Responsibility for Facilitating ... by ultramancool on Tuesday April 19, 2016 @07:13PM (#11531218)
They knew they'd use it to torture? I highly doubt that.

Monitor, perhaps. But that's very different. It's also not exactly specified what they built - was it generic and something they might be able to sell to corporations or other governments who want traffic monitoring or something designed only for this purpose?

Re:Cisco’s Attempt to Dodge Responsibility for Facilitating ... by jonathankoren on Tuesday April 19, 2016 @08:03PM (#11531443)
> They knew they'd use it to torture? I highly doubt that.

Well them they've been living under a rock. It's been officially banned for 17 years, and there's literally a wikipedia article about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong

Re:Cisco’s Attempt to Dodge Responsibility for Facilitating ... by ultramancool on Tuesday April 19, 2016 @08:30PM (#11531540)
It's entirely possible they assumed otherwise. Are you trying to say you must assume the worst possible intentions from your customers and that anything less should be illegal?

Surely Tor developers could have guessed it would be used for child pornography - should that have stopped them?

Re:Cisco’s Attempt to Dodge Responsibility for Facilitating ... by jonathankoren on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @12:30AM (#11532264)
You're dealing with a known actor with a known track record against a known target. It's completely different. At this point it's being willfully ignorant[0] and you're being intentionally obtuse.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willful_blindness

Re:Cisco’s Attempt to Dodge Responsibility for Facilitating ... by ultramancool on Wednesday April 20, 2016 @12:43PM (#11535684)
> You're dealing with a known actor with a known track record against a known target.

People with anonymity aren't "known actors"?

You could just as easily argue willful blindness with Tor or end to end cryptography devs. And that's how I'm worried that a case like this will be used if it's successful.

Re:Cisco’s Attempt to Dodge Responsibility for Facilitating ... by FireBeyond on Tuesday April 19, 2016 @07:20PM (#11531254)
When you custom build a tool and you sell it saying - specifically - that it can be "used to monitor Falun Gong members", the whole "it's just a tool, not my fault how it's used" thing becomes disingenuous.