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Re:Viber adds end-to-end encryption by ryanlol on Tuesday April 19, 2016 @09:22AM (#11526717)
That's fair!

But you need far more than just the crypto code to create a client, I think open source protocol specs would already achieve this.

And my main complaint was with the claim that open sourcing their crypto code would somehow make a meaningful difference to the security of these applications to the extent where you could consider all applications that haven't done so "insecure".

Re:Viber adds end-to-end encryption by CaptSpify on Tuesday April 19, 2016 @10:38AM (#11527269)
I don't think I get your complaint

Without open-sourcing the crypto, they could be just doing rot16($message) for all we know. Open-source is a requirement for being considered secure. It doesn't mean they aren't secure if they aren't open-source, but that you shouldn't consider it so, because you don't know if it is or not.

Re:Viber adds end-to-end encryption by CiPHPerCoder on Tuesday April 19, 2016 @10:50AM (#11527365)
> I don't think I get your complaint

> Without open-sourcing the crypto, they could be just doing rot16($message) for all we know.

There are two things you can do:

1. Watch the outbound traffic and attempt known-plaintext attacks

2. Reverse engineer the app

Neither is particularly difficult. Most Android apps are trivial to break apart using Lobotomy. A large swath of software security folks specialize in binary auditing.

Re:Viber adds end-to-end encryption by ikeboy on Tuesday April 19, 2016 @12:07PM (#11527920)
Has anyone done that and produced a fully open source app to connect to whatsapp?
Re:Viber adds end-to-end encryption by ryanlol on Tuesday April 19, 2016 @01:34PM (#11528633)
Lots of people.

https://github.com/tgalal/yowsup for example

Re:Viber adds end-to-end encryption by ikeboy on Tuesday April 19, 2016 @01:50PM (#11528766)
Looks like WhatsApp isn't so happy about that ...

https://gigaom.com/2015/01/20/whatsapp-cracks-down-on-people...

Do you know if the clients work with the new encryption?

Re:Viber adds end-to-end encryption by ryanlol on Tuesday April 19, 2016 @02:02PM (#11528838)
Yes, axolotl is open source. (However I can't comment on how much it's been modified for the official client)