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Re:DC faces Silicon Valley's riches and ever-growing power by exwardna on Sunday April 17, 2016 @03:16PM (#11515827)
Can you expand a bit on the bureaucracy in Europe? Do you think it's hard to create a limited responsibility company in Europe? Is it better in China?
Re:DC faces Silicon Valley's riches and ever-growing power by CM30 on Sunday April 17, 2016 @03:23PM (#11515862)
Have you seen that law about taxes for ecommerce in Europe? In the US, the shop collects tax for the country the shop is based in. In Europe, the shop has to pay taxes related to the country the people buying the products are in. This significantly increases the complexity of running an ecommerce business in Europe.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vat-supplying-dig...

It was an idea with some logic behind it, but it basically cripples European internet businesses compared to US ones by making taxes that much complicated to calculate.

Re:DC faces Silicon Valley's riches and ever-growing power by eli_gottlieb on Sunday April 17, 2016 @03:37PM (#11515932)
> In the US, the shop collects tax for the country the shop is based in.

Legally, Americans are obligated to pay sales tax for internet purchases in the state where we live. There's a form for it, every year.

The American move is to shift the burden of tax collection onto the customer, thus ensuring that the taxes are evaded rather than paid. I don't really see moving bureaucracy onto customers rather than businesses - thus increasing the total amount of records that must be kept and paperwork that must be filed to abide perfectly by the law and pay one's taxes - as a good thing.

Re:DC faces Silicon Valley's riches and ever-growing power by officialchicken on Sunday April 17, 2016 @06:45PM (#11516697)
Agree. But it's not too bad as long as the companies require invoice (in EU sense of the term) to include VAT/VIES/CIF. The cost or price of an outside accountant to deal with your tech is not too affordable for a startup... 20,000+ euro/year just to do the book keeping.
Re:DC faces Silicon Valley's riches and ever-growing power by anexprogrammer on Sunday April 17, 2016 @05:18PM (#11516362)
Creating a company, at least in the UK is extremely simple. The one stop VAT rules CM30 mentioned have been onerous enough to stop smaller ecommerce places going EU wide. There were a lot of blog posts about it not being worth the hassle around the time of it's introduction.

But it's not just the bureaucracy, at least in the UK. It's the perception and treatment after a failure. It almost damns you for life. The banks won't want to lend, VCs here seem to want more of a sure thing. There seems to be little of the US attitude of "OK you failed, what you going to try next?". OK that was a lot of sweeping generalisations, and there are exceptions to the rule, but you get the idea.

Re:DC faces Silicon Valley's riches and ever-growing power by officialchicken on Sunday April 17, 2016 @06:33PM (#11516661)
I've recently given up trying in the EU (for now). In the US, it's really easy (rocketlawyer.com/square.com), here it's a relative nightmare. From accounting and taxes to liability to contract and employment law to even relatively simple things like opening a bank account it's not startup friendly. IMO, most of the EU regulations and frameworks were developed within the confines of local low-risk capitalized companies, such as agriculture or hair salons. And as soon as you try to move money outside the EU, you might as well throw it in a bonfire.
Re:DC faces Silicon Valley's riches and ever-growing power by walshemj on Sunday April 17, 2016 @07:24PM (#11516832)
It takes less than a week to set up a company in the UK