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Re:Lyft gaining on Uber as it spends big on growth by epistasis on Saturday April 16, 2016 @06:02PM (#11512462)
I think by then, electric cars will be cheaper to purchase and operate than gas vehicles, so the pollution won't be much of an issue.

But you are 100% right that congestion will be the problem. Cars simply do not scale well, as the amount of sqft/passenger/minute is huge. We seem to be unwilling to devote the huge amounts of land to highways that we would need to in order to make congestion go away. And in cities, intersections can only let so many vehicles through per minute.

As another commenter said, traffic is a good problem, however it's only good until it stops trips. It's great for people to be moving about, but when traffic prevents that, it's bad.

Autonomous drivers give people back their time in the car to do with as they please, but they will definitely increase congestion.

Re:Lyft gaining on Uber as it spends big on growth by superuser2 on Saturday April 16, 2016 @10:04PM (#11513170)
>the pollution won't be much of an issue

Depends. In St. Louis, for example, a fully electric vehicle produces the same pollution (via the power plant) as a 36mpg car [0]. That's about in line with a highly-rated compact like the Golf or Mazda3 these days.

Electric vehicles give us the capability to reduce emissions by building cleaner electrical infrastructure, but that does not mean we will do so.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_long_tailpipe#Carbon_footp...

Re:Lyft gaining on Uber as it spends big on growth by epistasis on Sunday April 17, 2016 @01:18AM (#11513590)
In a few decades St Louis won't have such crappy energy sources, and if they do, their electricity prices will be sky high because they made poor decisions.

Additionally, pollution concentrations matter for cities, specifically dumping the exhaust out right next to people vs. dumping it at remote locations where it has more area to dilute before encountering people.

The long tail pipe hypothesis seems to be a bunch of people trying to desperately prove that electric cars are no better, but they have to resort to extreme cases to try to justify their positions. 36mpg which pollutants? Certainly not all them. CO2 from pure coal is something like a 50 mpg car. And as we get rid of these inferior and more expensive sources of electricity, electric cars will only increase their lead over gas vehicles.

Re:Lyft gaining on Uber as it spends big on growth by mahyarm on Saturday April 16, 2016 @06:22PM (#11512538)
A lot of congestion comes from cars looking for parking and cars not being shared with other people. The self driving cars are not going to be looking for parking, and can automatically scale what is on the road based on demand. They will also be more efficient with sharing a vehicle with multiple people, or have more specialized mini cars to scale trips properly.
Re:Lyft gaining on Uber as it spends big on growth by epistasis on Saturday April 16, 2016 @06:34PM (#11512585)
Those self-driving cars are also going to be driving all over to pick people up, almost certainly more than is used for parking.

And when there's a surplus of self-driving cars, where do they go?

There will be an increase in miles driven per passenger mile in order to get the self driving cars to where they need to be, when they need to be.

Re:Lyft gaining on Uber as it spends big on growth by ams6110 on Saturday April 16, 2016 @09:29PM (#11513097)
Most people don't like to share rides with strangers. There may be a preference for smaller but more vehicles.
Re:Lyft gaining on Uber as it spends big on growth by aninhumer on Sunday April 17, 2016 @06:36AM (#11514088)
Smaller vehicles will be far more practical in an automated taxi model as well.

No one wants to own a single person car, because even a single person wants to be able to carry passengers if they need to. But lots of people will be making single person journeys all the time, so it makes sense for a taxi company to own them.

Re:Lyft gaining on Uber as it spends big on growth by wcummings on Saturday April 16, 2016 @06:49PM (#11512654)
The added trips will offset the gains