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Re:Universal basic income: A nonprofit is about to test it i... by Turing_Machine on Friday April 15, 2016 @11:13AM (#11504955)
On the other hand, maybe you want to incentivize pregnancy. Most developed countries are losing population (the only exceptions are those with large-scale immigration).

Compare:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/...

A fertility rate of 2 would be necessary just to replace the current population, without any growth (assuming that all children reach adulthood and breed in turn, which is a big assumption for some of these countries).

Re:Universal basic income: A nonprofit is about to test it i... by NoGravitas on Friday April 15, 2016 @01:01PM (#11505854)
World population needs to decline gradually, though. Developed countries with low fertility should compensate through immigration.
Re:Universal basic income: A nonprofit is about to test it i... by Turing_Machine on Saturday April 16, 2016 @12:25AM (#11509306)
"World population needs to decline gradually, though."

Why does world population "need to decline"?

Re:Universal basic income: A nonprofit is about to test it i... by technopath on Saturday April 16, 2016 @12:32AM (#11509323)
We're eating resources faster than we're replacing them.

I suppose the alternative is to eat resources at the replacement rate - this is what sustainability is supposed to be about.

Or perhaps some new technology will fix it.

Re:Universal basic income: A nonprofit is about to test it i... by Turing_Machine on Saturday April 16, 2016 @12:47AM (#11509361)
Edit: this was in response to your earlier message, which you've apparently edited.

No, we aren't (running out of resources).

The price of oil today is moderately higher (in constant dollars) than it was in 1946, but only moderately so.

http://inflationdata.com/articles/charts/inflation-adjusted-...

Pretty much every jump in the intervening years is directly attributable to political turmoil (e.g., war) rather than any real decline in the amount of oil available. Note that today's moderately higher prices are in an environment with active war going on in Syria and Iraq, historically two of the largest producers. If it weren't for that, oil prices might well have dropped below 1946 prices (again, in constant dollars).

Similar graphs hold for other commodities.

According to the pundits in the 1970s, we were supposed to be at the "Soylent Green" stage long before now. We aren't.

Old Man Malthus claimed that we were on the verge of the Soylent Green world (though of course he didn't call it that) way back in 1798.

Re:Universal basic income: A nonprofit is about to test it i... by technopath on Saturday April 16, 2016 @12:59AM (#11509397)
Oh, I was thinking more like trees, biodiversity, and water honestly. Sharks, plankton, etc. Even if oil became scarce, energy doesn't look like an issue in my lifetime, there's always coal and nuclear.

But like rainforests are going away real quick.

Re:Universal basic income: A nonprofit is about to test it i... by Turing_Machine on Saturday April 16, 2016 @09:36AM (#11510541)
1) There are more trees in the United States today than there were 100 years ago. No reason that can't happen elsewhere.

2) Water doesn't actually get used up.

Re:Universal basic income: A nonprofit is about to test it i... by technopath on Saturday April 16, 2016 @11:13PM (#11513345)
1) Can't is different from unlikely to.

2) Aquifers do.

Re:Universal basic income: A nonprofit is about to test it i... by Turing_Machine on Sunday April 17, 2016 @10:20AM (#11514564)
1) You have absolutely no basis for that statement 2) Fossil aquifers aren't the only sources of water. The aren't even the primary source of water, other than in specific geographically-limited regions.
Re:Universal basic income: A nonprofit is about to test it i... by notahacker on Friday April 15, 2016 @01:47PM (#11506245)
In Kenya the fertility rate is 4.46, and that's after a period of decline and not especially high by regional standards. I don't think you want to drive that up...

(that's part of a wider problem with trying to draw any inferences about how a basic income might work in a developed country from this. It's perfectly reasonable to believe the results and the appropriate design might be precisely opposite)