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Re:Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium by maxxxxx on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @01:43PM (#11490393)
What else do you want to use?
Re:Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium by Falling3 on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @02:08PM (#11490679)
Sentience - I really don't see any other sensible qualifier for moral consideration.
Re:Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium by nxzero on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @02:46PM (#11491035)
Sentience is central to the philosophy of animal rights, because sentience is necessary for the ability to suffer, and thus is held to confer certain rights.

That said, in my opinion, as it relates to optimal ecosystems, sentience at best might be a consideration.

Impact, contribution, etc. to an ecosystem would be a more natural measure.

Re:Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium by 55555 on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @09:56PM (#11493819)
Humans have a pretty horrible impact on, and contribution to, the ecosystem. Can I kill them? /s
Re:Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium by Falling3 on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @03:07PM (#11491222)
Does that actually matter in and of itself beyond how it affects sentient individuals?
Re:Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium by nxzero on Thursday April 14, 2016 @09:01PM (#11501399)
Yes, a health ecosystem requires non-sentient live for a number of reasons including that non-sentient is the source of genetically different sentient live. Diversity is critical for ecosystems.
Re:Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium by maxxxxx on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @04:36PM (#11491979)
How you determine something is sentient or not? That's a tough one.
Re:Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium by malz on Thursday April 14, 2016 @12:01AM (#11494212)
Re:Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium by Falling3 on Thursday April 14, 2016 @01:57AM (#11494578)
That's not the sentience we're talking about. From the article: >This is a non-standard usage of the word "sentience"...
Re:Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium by VT_Drew on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @04:40PM (#11492012)
Taste.
Re:Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium by nxzero on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @01:48PM (#11490437)
Impact, contribution, etc. to an ecosystem.
Re:Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium by Spivak on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @01:54PM (#11490514)
The current bar is just anything not in the genus Homo and would likely extend to any 'humanoid' species.

A wolf doesn't really care about the relative intelligence of the rabbits it kills, but has a natural kinship between other wolves or wolf-like creatures which more-or-less extends to, "I wont kill you for food unless I'm starving."

Re:Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium by Falling3 on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @02:06PM (#11490668)
Wolves are irrelevant here. If we're talking about the morality of the way we treat animals, it's a logical fallacy to try to use wolf behavior to justify our own (and something I'm sure would never occur in any other discussion of morality).
Re:Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium by stcredzero on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @04:41PM (#11492019)
it's a logical fallacy to try to use wolf behavior to justify our own

Human society tends to operate on that logical fallacy. The badness/awfulness of others is taken to justify "extreme measures" from our own side. (And I would agree that this is wrong.)

Re:Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium by Falling3 on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @05:06PM (#11492218)
Absolutely. All the more reason to point it out.
Re:Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium by nxzero on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @02:03PM (#11490628)
Wolves are extremely opportunistic carnivores, and will, given the opportunity, eat another wolf.

That aside, unclear how wolves relate to the topic.

Generally speaking, most life on Earth doesn't even eat other living organisms, but the naturally left remains of living organisms.

Re:Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium by mjevans on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @03:45PM (#11491543)
We all know what you meant to say, but plants are living organisms.

This is why using selective terms for the type of dietary intake is scientifically useful. Carnivores that eat other carnivores (on a preferential basis) are rare. Typically herbivores are eaten by omnivores or carnivores. The only real moralities involved in these distinctions relate to energy efficiency and likelihood of diseases being a concern. Of course self awareness (sentience) is an additional layer of consideration on top of the evolutionary pressures.

Re:Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium by nxzero on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @04:06PM (#11491730)
Just to be clear, I'm referring to detritus as the primary source of nutrition for living organisms.

Learn more about detritus here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detritus

Re:Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium by thedaemon on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @05:52PM (#11492572)
If by generally speaking you mean micro-organisms, then sure. I cannot think of any animals (mammals, fish, etc) that do not eat living organisms.
Re:Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium by goldbrick on Thursday April 14, 2016 @05:11PM (#11500387)
Try most of them?
Re:Inky the octopus breaks out of New Zealand aquarium by thedaemon on Thursday April 28, 2016 @04:56PM (#11591834)
Name just one. If you think it's most of them, name a few. I will explain it to you then.