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Re:Google will warn users when sites contain social engineer... by tyingq on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @03:00PM (#11482503)
Sure. But it's just funny that Google's approach is to mark these sites with big red warnings when Google itself is the source of the actual problem.
Re:Google will warn users when sites contain social engineer... by duaneb on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @12:34AM (#11485764)
The ads are the actual problem. It's entirely possible this is a stopgap solution while they flag the client for manual auditing (or whatever)—manual auditing doesn't scale, so I suspect this is going to be more successful at preventing abuse in the short term.
Re:Google will warn users when sites contain social engineer... by ocdtrekkie on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @02:37AM (#11486203)
The problem is that Google has built most of it's products and business around the concept that they can automate away manual intervention. I think they are quickly starting to discover how faulty that concept is.

Some of the "AI" startups that mix automated intelligence with human fallback have probably got it much more right: Sometimes, you need people.

Re:Google will warn users when sites contain social engineer... by duaneb on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @09:55AM (#11488138)
Regardless, I think the warning is better than no warning. Again, we don't know the process behind the scenes.
Re:Google will warn users when sites contain social engineer... by ocdtrekkie on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @11:44AM (#11489168)
If Google believes any of their ads on the page are questionable, Google should simply not display those ads.
Re:Google will warn users when sites contain social engineer... by ori_b on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @04:03PM (#11483099)
Yep. But spam detection and flagging is a hard problem. Google tries to detect and flag malicious creatives and stop them from serving, but it's not perfect. (I've touched that subsystem in a past life).
Re:Google will warn users when sites contain social engineer... by tyingq on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @04:30PM (#11483301)
If their system finds a site displaying a misleading ad, and it's a google ad...

Why is the action to flag and penalize the site? Why would the action not be "google stops showing that ad"?

Re:Google will warn users when sites contain social engineer... by ori_b on Tuesday April 12, 2016 @06:05PM (#11483979)
When it's detected on the ad serving side, the action is "google doesn't show that ad". This is not something that a user will generally notice.
Re:Google will warn users when sites contain social engineer... by dgacmu on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @01:46AM (#11486023)
Consider the likely interaction: (a) Spammer tries to figure out a twist on the ad that makes it through the inappropriate ad filters. They keep at this until they get an image or wording that works. (b) Slightly different system goes and tries to find malicious sites. It detects a site where the spammer managed (a) successfully, because it uses some different methods of identifying the bad stuff.

I don't find this kind of result surprising at all, particularly given how big Google is. If the site safety team is different from the don't-show-evil-ads team, it's almost an inevitable result, at least, in some point in the evolution of the system(s) and processes involved. It does point out some improvements that are needed.

Re:Google will warn users when sites contain social engineer... by tyingq on Wednesday April 13, 2016 @06:14AM (#11486990)
I still don't get it. It's like the city randomly testing drinking fountains for lead, then issuing penalties to businesses, when the city municipal supply is the issue. Sure, shut down the water, but don't penalize victims.

That same scraper that's flagging the site can see the adsense block, see that image url for the offending image is "googlesyndication.com/some/image", etc. As far as I can tell, enough info to map directly back to the entity paying for the ad to show.