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Re:Serious threat to the web in Italy by niyazpk on Wednesday February 24, 2010 @08:02AM (#1147863)
Shooting the messenger, eh?

Why don't they convict the ISPs, Internet Cafe's or the Computer Manufacturers?

They have the same responsibility as Google has on this issue.

Re:Serious threat to the web in Italy by yumraj on Wednesday February 24, 2010 @01:12PM (#1148634)
You forgot the camera (camcorder) manufacturer. After all, it was their equipment that facilitated the so-called crime in the first place.

And, then, sue the god, for his/her creations did the crime.. And, if the god can't be sued, well, sue the Pope.

Side note: The blog doesn't mention, but why did the Italians pick these 4 people. What is there connection, if any, to this whole episode?

Re:Serious threat to the web in Italy by oscardelben on Thursday February 25, 2010 @08:39AM (#1150608)
Why do you use the term the Italians as if all italians wanted this to happen?

Unfortunately here in italy the vast majority of people don't know english so they can't even be informed of what's happening outside the country.

Re:Serious threat to the web in Italy by yumraj on Friday February 26, 2010 @01:05PM (#1153693)
Sorry if I offended anyone, but that was not my intent.

My usage of "Italians" was just a common English shortening of "Italian authorities" to "Italians" based on the context.

By "Italians" I did not mean Italian people, but just the Italian authorities, that too specifically the ones involved in this case.

Re:Serious threat to the web in Italy by brlewis on Wednesday February 24, 2010 @08:13AM (#1147885)
Was the video played in the courtroom as part of the trial? Why don't they convict the judge?
Re:Serious threat to the web in Italy by castis on Wednesday February 24, 2010 @09:22AM (#1148021)
... and the TV manufacturer along with the stand the TV was sitting on.

TVs should, at this point, have significant technology to figure out that someone is getting beat up on the display and stop the user from viewing it.

Re:Serious threat to the web in Italy by epochwolf on Wednesday February 24, 2010 @10:12PM (#1149892)
I don't think that would sell too well. Most of American Television is people getting beat up. (Even CSPAN! if you count verbal abuse)
Re:Serious threat to the web in Italy by jimbokun on Wednesday February 24, 2010 @10:15AM (#1148138)
Re:Serious threat to the web in Italy by flatline on Wednesday February 24, 2010 @09:59AM (#1148105)
Google is a big, juicy target, with lots of money and prestige, and the others are not.
Re:Serious threat to the web in Italy by a-priori on Wednesday February 24, 2010 @10:09AM (#1148121)
Then why attack its employees and not the corporation itself?
Re:Serious threat to the web in Italy by gaius on Wednesday February 24, 2010 @01:48PM (#1148718)
Officers of the company are the company, legally.

But the cause of Freedom is not best served by holding up "freedom to laugh at retards" as a fundamental right.

Let's not forget that Google is perfectly technologically capable of filtering its content - and we know that because it does it in China.

Re:Serious threat to the web in Italy by jackowayed on Wednesday February 24, 2010 @08:09PM (#1149731)
It's not "freedom to laugh at retards" that's the issue. No one is arguing that Google should have been able to keep the video up (not that there isn't some merit to that argument), just that as long as Google complies with police requests in a timely matter, the company and its employees should not be liable for someone else using their service to post content.
Re:Serious threat to the web in Italy by redcap on Wednesday February 24, 2010 @07:49PM (#1149694)
Due to its user submitted content, isn't youtube just banned outright in China?
Re:Serious threat to the web in Italy by InclinedPlane on Thursday February 25, 2010 @12:46AM (#1150104)
"Officers of the company are the company, legally."

In any LLC or publicly held company this is simply not true, legally.

Re:Serious threat to the web in Italy by Groxx on Wednesday February 24, 2010 @12:00PM (#1148416)
bail money, maybe? or maybe a personal vendetta by someone?
Re:Serious threat to the web in Italy by mo34 on Wednesday February 24, 2010 @09:43AM (#1148060)
>>They have the same responsibility as Google has on this issue.

No, they don't. Google owned and operated the site that hosted the video; they have the full responsibility for insuring that they abide by Italian law. Guilty as charged.

Re:Serious threat to the web in Italy by tjogin on Wednesday February 24, 2010 @09:54AM (#1148091)
Not according to EU law. Which I think takes precedence.
Re:Serious threat to the web in Italy by blue1 on Wednesday February 24, 2010 @01:15PM (#1148643)
Which EU law, exactly?
Re:Serious threat to the web in Italy by tjogin on Wednesday February 24, 2010 @03:22PM (#1148992)
I'm not sure what the law is called (something about electronic bulletin boards if memory serves me right), but the gist of it is to protect website owners from this very thing; having to vet every content uploaded by individual users.

It was originally meant to protect providers of online bulletin boards, as this was some time before the Web 2.0 kind of user information sharing exploded.

Re:Serious threat to the web in Italy by mo34 on Wednesday February 24, 2010 @10:02AM (#1148110)
If it's overturned in the EU court of law, fine - that's the process. Really, I find it quite surprising that there is so much opposition the ruling; the video is horrible, it is disgusting, it is wrong. Bravo for Italy (and China for that matter) for identifying and trying to do something about a serious issue.
Re:Serious threat to the web in Italy by tjogin on Wednesday February 24, 2010 @10:20AM (#1148149)
What do you even mean by that? I mean, even try to visualize the alternative; that every video, picture, audio clip and piece of text submitted to any website is first vetted by a human being. Any content that that individual cannot get behind will not be published.

Sure, I would like to have material like that magically disappear too, along with the kind of people who would do such a thing. But if we move the level of discourse into the real world rather than la-la land, we have to accept that we can neither use magic, nor vet every piece of content prior to publishing it.

You are free to post obnoxious shit on the internet without it being vetted first, just like you are free to say obnoxious shit without permission from anyone. The consequences come afterwards — and the fault is yours, not the providers of the medium you chose as the vessel for your content.

Freedom of speech ain't pretty. But the alternative is much much worse. This is the only way it can be done.

Re:Serious threat to the web in Italy by Groxx on Wednesday February 24, 2010 @12:07PM (#1148434)
and the fault is yours, not the providers of the medium you chose as the vessel for your content.

And in the case of free speech, this would mean Italy is doing the equivalent of trying to jail air for not maintaining privacy. Or, perhaps more accurately, they're jailing one who makes air (God and/or plants, take your pick) for not making air shut certain people up before they say something wrong.

It makes no sense no matter how you look at it. Even if there isn't freedom of speech in a location, you don't put the papermakers in jail because someone wrote something mean on it.

Re:Serious threat to the web in Italy by clistctrl on Wednesday February 24, 2010 @11:12AM (#1148269)
Most subjects we can disagree with each other, and up vote for a well written comment, but for some reason this comment strikes me as really odd. I find it really hard to believe someone, the kind of person who would be attracted to "hacker news" would have this view point. The 1 hour old account, is also suspicious.
Re:Serious threat to the web in Italy by hendler on Wednesday February 24, 2010 @06:06PM (#1149474)
What I really like about Hacker News is that it's overwhelmingly made up people cleverly disagreeing - so that plants/idiots/jokers are generally more obvious.