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Re:Ask HN: How do detect a crappy boss / toxic environment w... by zeemonkee3 on Thursday April 07, 2016 @03:39PM (#11450011)
Hypothetical situation.

Let's say you're an experienced developer. You have an impressive work record, open source contributions, and ace the technical interviews.

Then your potential employer asks you to take an IQ test.

Legality aside (and it may be framed as a "general aptitude test" or somesuch), this may be very insulting to some people, who feel their contributions and achievements should stand on their own without bullshit tests. It signals to them "we don't care what you've done, and you can prove you can do, or your years of experience or education, you getting the job depends on an arbitrary test we're going to throw at you". You're not going to be treated as an individual, but rather a set of points on a score sheet.

Now you may be right or wrong as to whether these tests are indicative of ability, but for a lot of applicants they would be a red flag.

Re:Ask HN: How do detect a crappy boss / toxic environment w... by EliRivers on Thursday April 07, 2016 @03:52PM (#11450101)
In my opinion, what you've done there is create a straw man. The original assertion was that an IQ test is a reason to run. What you've done is turn that into something else entirely, where it quite clearly is a bad sign. I believe that your hypothetical situation isn't addressing the original simple assertion.

The original assertion was not "If you've done very well at a series of interviews and proved your ability already, and then they want to give you an IQ test, run."

Re:Ask HN: How do detect a crappy boss / toxic environment w... by zeemonkee3 on Thursday April 07, 2016 @04:10PM (#11450243)
So your argument is that IQ tests are only good in lieu of experience/proven ability?
Re:Ask HN: How do detect a crappy boss / toxic environment w... by EliRivers on Thursday April 07, 2016 @04:20PM (#11450346)
My argument is that you presented an invalid straw man argument.
Re:Ask HN: How do detect a crappy boss / toxic environment w... by PhasmaFelis on Friday April 08, 2016 @01:38AM (#11452762)
So what's an example of a situation where an IQ test would not be a bad sign?
Re:Ask HN: How do detect a crappy boss / toxic environment w... by GFK_of_xmaspast on Thursday April 07, 2016 @06:34PM (#11451240)
How about "you get an IQ test instead of a series of interviews and a chance to prove your ability"
Re:Ask HN: How do detect a crappy boss / toxic environment w... by paulhodge on Friday April 08, 2016 @01:12PM (#11456214)
Open source contributions aren't as useful for a hiring decision as you imply. Did the candidate spend several days working on a small change? Does the candidate only do quality work when it's something that is personally interesting to them? If yes to either of those then they might still be a bad hire.

Don't get me wrong, I love to see open source work, it is a plus and it definitely helps paint the picture of what the candidate is passionate about. But just having impressive open source work alone is not enough to make the technical interview unnecessary.

> and ace the technical interviews

If there's an IQ test after they ace the technical interviews, then that's a really weird order to do the interview, but I don't think that's the situation that the above comments were talking about.

Re:Ask HN: How do detect a crappy boss / toxic environment w... by zeemonkee3 on Friday April 08, 2016 @02:13PM (#11456682)
> Did the candidate spend several days working on a small change?

Open source is usually a free time pursuit, so quite possibly they did spend several days on a small change because they had better things to do. Or the small change was the result of several days of tracking down a difficult bug.

My point was however that whether or not IQ tests are effective, making experienced developers sit through them (or indeed junior developers who may have verifiable academic or other accomplishments) could be seen as insulting or degrading. If your goal is not to unnecessarily piss off good candidates who may then bad-mouth you to their friends or bring up the issue on Glassdoor, then IQ tests - even discarding the legal implications - are perhaps not such a great idea.