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Re:WhatsApp's Signal Protocol integration is now complete by visarga on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @12:51AM (#11436689)
But can we still be sure of our privacy if we combine two or more such semi-secure systems? TOR does such a thing with the Onion Routing protocol by using intermediaries.
Re:WhatsApp's Signal Protocol integration is now complete by mike_hearn on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @04:45AM (#11437505)
No. There is no way to be completely sure of your privacy in any context when using modern computers, it simply isn't a problem that can be solved with technical tricks.

Consider all the work I listed above. Imagine you actually did it. Great. But ... you're using WhatsApp to communicate with someone else. Did they do the same work? No? What if their device received a different binary to yours?

You can't even solve this with clever auditing frameworks because then you're just shifting the trust to whoever writes and distributes the auditing tools.

That's why it's so important to understand that you cannot solve political problems with cryptography. At most, you can reconfigure the set of people you need to trust (hopefully by making it smaller). But if those people can be forced to act by a political entity, then no crypto will save you.