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Re:Ram air turbine by dingaling on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @05:08AM (#11437579)
They make an horrific noise when deployed, the blade tips are highly supersonic. I've heard one once as a groud observer and I can only imagine the racket they make in the cabin. For that reason they're not tested in routine service but there are ground-testing rigs that spin them up to a fraction of their maximum rotation speed.

The A320 series have RATs but the 737s ( all series ) don't since they remain manually-flyable without electrical power.

Re:Ram air turbine by unwind on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @05:11AM (#11437587)
I'm confused.

It looks like a turbine powered by the movement of ambient air, in this case due to the aircraft's movement through said air.

But the article says:

The RAT generates power from the airstream by ram pressure due to the speed of the aircraft.

How is this dependent on the pressure, rather than just the speed of the air? Would a RAT from an aircraft not work on a stationary object subject to wind? Or is such an object also experiencing ram pressure (just the other way around due to reference frame shifting), i.e. all (wind) turbines work due to ram pressure?

Re:Ram air turbine by JorgeGT on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @07:00AM (#11437936)
Aerospace eng. here, you are right in that is a confusing terminology. Ram pressurein this context is a way to refer to the available kinetic energy due to airflow: 1/2 x density x speed^2 (also called dynamic pressure).

A point to stress is that the energy delivered to the plane systems by this auxiliary turbine is thus varying with the square of the speed of the plane. That means that as you slow down for landing, the RAT delivers less and less energy... and the commanding authority of the hydraulic-actuated control surface lowers, making the plane less and less controllable. Not fun!

Re:Ram air turbine by toomuchtodo on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @03:12PM (#11441054)
You'd think the RAT would charge a battery acting as buffer. But who am I to armchair quarterback an entire aerospace industry.
Re:Ram air turbine by astrodust on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @03:28PM (#11441202)
Having a sufficiently large battery introduces another point of failure, something undesirable in a situation where you're already in bad shape.

You don't deploy the RAT unless shit is going sideways.

Re:Ram air turbine by JorgeGT on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @08:09PM (#11443490)
> You don't deploy the RAT unless shit is going sideways.

We can't also confirm nor deny that RAT is a hand-picked acronym to make the "rats leaving the ship, we're doomed" joke.

Re:Ram air turbine by jonsen on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @05:17AM (#11437618)
"ram pressure" is a link to its own explaining wiki-page.
Re:Ram air turbine by unwind on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @05:23AM (#11437645)
Yes of course, I read that and it didn't help. It talks about the drag experienced by an object moving in a fluid. I guess I'm just dense.
Re:Ram air turbine by jonsen on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @05:47AM (#11437727)
You are right, not really informative. Maybe Ram Air Turbine is a bad name. A turbine driven by the airflow from "ramming" through the air?!
Re:Ram air turbine by chinathrow on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @06:12AM (#11437800)
Here's one of those RATs in motion on a 777:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfB2EP71hqY

Re:Ram air turbine by PhantomGremlin on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @05:33AM (#11437679)
Be sure to follow the link to Pinnacle Airlines Flight 3701. That's a double Darwin Award, well deserved.
Re:Ram air turbine by goldenkey on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @07:31AM (#11438033)
Wow, that was quite a legendary chain of fuckups. Link for others:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinnacle_Airlines_Flight_370...

Re:Ram air turbine by astrodust on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @03:32PM (#11441236)
It takes a lot of gall to double down on your mistakes in a situation like that. These two should've been stripped of their license had they survived that stunt.
Re:Ram air turbine by goldenkey on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @07:27PM (#11443213)
It seemed like they were hoping the 2nd engine wasn't totally cashed. So they lied to the ground about having only 1 engine failure. I would imagine being alive is worth embarrassment but given the prestige of a pilot, I really can't say more than, bad choice.
Re:Ram air turbine by blackflame7000 on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @02:50PM (#11440872)
The one above it is also pretty dumb.
Re:Ram air turbine by InclinedPlane on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @04:57AM (#11437546)
Deep ocean sailing yachts used to use these for electricity generation (for powering things like navigation equipment and radios) but now it's more common to use battery backed solar power.
Re:Ram air turbine by HerpDerpLerp on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @06:30AM (#11437850)
I would say that boats have Wind Turbines rather than RATs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_turbine

The power comes much more from the wind than the vehicle moving through the air (though I am very aware that the speed of the boat affects the apparent wind the generator will experience)

Re:Ram air turbine by bnegreve on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @07:17AM (#11437990)
Actually water turbines (aka hydrogenerators) are also an option, but it's less common.

http://cdn.streamlike.com/secure/Covers/68/17853.jpg

Re:Ram air turbine by boxctim on Wednesday April 06, 2016 @06:53AM (#11437916)
Hooke was this by any chance inspired by a reddit discussion?