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Re:Google's Nest is disabling some of its customers' old sma... by deelowe on Monday April 04, 2016 @04:23PM (#11425260)
I'm trying to explain (perhaps poorly?) that the change is not simply semantic. No one who is part of Google proper has any say in what nest, glass or those other companies do at this point. None of the culture, support etc... transfers over. The CEOs of these new alphabet companies are free to do as they please. What you're seeing here is this in action.

Saying Google are somehow accountable for nest or glass is like saying that dropbox are accountable for the actions of reddit. They are literally that disconnected now when it comes to how the businesses are managed.

Re:Google's Nest is disabling some of its customers' old sma... by jkelsey on Monday April 04, 2016 @04:43PM (#11425447)
Consumers don't care how about Google/Alphabet organizes itself. Google owns Nest; that fact can't be avoided. When you own a company that intentionally bricks their customers' $300 devices for no other reason that they don't want to support them anymore, you're going to have to deal with the negative perception that it creates.
Re:Google's Nest is disabling some of its customers' old sma... by mikeash on Monday April 04, 2016 @04:57PM (#11425600)
In this case, being disconnected is a deliberate choice by Google. If that leads to problems, they're still responsible. You can't just take your hands off something and disclaim all responsibility for what happens afterwards.
Re:Google's Nest is disabling some of its customers' old sma... by deelowe on Monday April 04, 2016 @05:05PM (#11425665)
It was a deliberate choice by the former Google board, who no longer runs Google and now runs Alphabet. The blame lies with Alphabet, not one of it's many subsidiaries.
Re:Google's Nest is disabling some of its customers' old sma... by mikeash on Monday April 04, 2016 @08:31PM (#11426901)
I think the problem is that Alphabet is basically what we used to call Google, and what is now called Google is just one aspect of what we used to call Google. Referring to Alphabet as "Google" is outmoded but it's sort of like saying "Blackwater" instead of "Academi."
Re:Google's Nest is disabling some of its customers' old sma... by ilyanep on Monday April 04, 2016 @04:33PM (#11425355)
They all ultimately answer to Larry Page, presumably.
Re:Google's Nest is disabling some of its customers' old sma... by deelowe on Monday April 04, 2016 @05:04PM (#11425657)
All of the CEOs? Sure. Sundar manages Google though.
Re:Google's Nest is disabling some of its customers' old sma... by sbashyal on Tuesday April 05, 2016 @12:07AM (#11427722)
I think this is a little more tricker. When customers make buying decisions, there is "Nest, owned by Alphabet and not likely to be shut because they are broke" benefit that they get. When they fail to meet those expectations, it should and will certainly reflect on the trust for Alphabet. Mainly because of your argument: Alphabet has little control over the companies and one should stop expecting good treatment and product lifecycle just because it is under Alphabet umbrella.
Re:Google's Nest is disabling some of its customers' old sma... by outside1234 on Monday April 04, 2016 @07:42PM (#11426679)
If this is so true, then why don't the complete the task and spin the company off and hold a controlling share?
Re:Google's Nest is disabling some of its customers' old sma... by deelowe on Monday April 04, 2016 @09:13PM (#11427083)
That's exactly what they did.
Re:Google's Nest is disabling some of its customers' old sma... by knughit on Monday April 04, 2016 @08:18PM (#11426850)
They did. 100% share.