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Re:Google's Nest is disabling some of its customers' old sma... by click170 on Monday April 04, 2016 @04:15PM (#11425166)
What bugs me is how many companies these days want to include reliance on the cloud for features that don't require it at all, in the interest of gaining access to more customer usage data, but then when they turn the servers off the product becomes useless.

This has become a key thing that I look for when buying new products. If the product relies on the cloud for a feature that I think should be entirely offline, the product will be immediately returned and a negative review will be left on the resellers site.

A perfect example was the early version of the Lockitron device. It required cloud access but had a one time payment. Based on that information alone I could not justify the purchase to myself even just to play with because it's a bad business model.

Re:Google's Nest is disabling some of its customers' old sma... by unclebucknasty on Monday April 04, 2016 @06:38PM (#11426311)
Fitbit. I fail to see why tracking my health, location, etc. is a cloud function, beyond selling my data. At least give me the watch free if you're going to sell my data too.

They then add insult to injury by making me sync via a dongle /connected cable to my laptop; at which point I could just as easily sync to a desktop client vs their otherwise "disconnected cloud".

Re:Google's Nest is disabling some of its customers' old sma... by click170 on Monday April 04, 2016 @09:10PM (#11427075)
I wouldn't have such a grudge against fitbit if they would make it easier to log to your own server. Even if I had to hijack DNS to accomplish it, I wouldn't mind. Its not like many people would take advantage of the option.

But the fact that they force you to use their servers to store your data so that they can turn around and sell it, frankly I hope they get sued for something. Anything.

There should be a law against selling customer data without the expressed consent of the customer whos data is being sold, per purchase. Even if the company is acquired.

Re:Google's Nest is disabling some of its customers' old sma... by WalterBright on Monday April 04, 2016 @05:11PM (#11425699)
The Turtlebeach Audiotron relied on accessing Turtlebeach's servers to function. They abandoned the Audiotron, and eventually the server, but did provide a patch so you could still use the Audiotron.

I still use the Audiotron every day. Still haven't found anything better.

Re:Google's Nest is disabling some of its customers' old sma... by jasonlaramburu on Monday April 04, 2016 @04:39PM (#11425410)
How do you determine if a given feature 'should' be entirely offline?
Re:Google's Nest is disabling some of its customers' old sma... by click170 on Monday April 04, 2016 @09:07PM (#11427061)
Unlocking my front door? That has to work without internet access.

Turning my lights on and off? That has to work without internet access.

Logging my heart rate et all, ala fitbit? Nope, I should be able to use a server of my choosing, requiring that I use cloud servers for something I paid a one time fee for is an instant deal breaker.

A service that logged all of my access times and determined whether or not I was home based on the result? I would prefer that be run from my own server even optionally with a DNS hijack, but I would understand the need for the cloud in this situation.

Re:Google's Nest is disabling some of its customers' old sma... by jasonlaramburu on Monday April 04, 2016 @09:35PM (#11427159)
Thanks for the info! Have you found many devices that meet this criteria? I can't think of any smart locks that run locally.
Re:Google's Nest is disabling some of its customers' old sma... by click170 on Monday April 04, 2016 @11:46PM (#11427637)
Though I haven't confirmed that this was fixed in new models, when I was first reviewing the Lockitron I contacted their support folks with my concerns about paying a one time fee for something that waa easentually a service and about being able to run my own server and (one of) the founder emailed me back and explained that in the next version my concerns would be addressed. That gave me hope for their next iteration but I haven't been back to them yet. I look forward to checking them out again.