You don't often see using PHP advertised as a desirable feature in any place where you could avoid it.

I wasn't clear. I mean that Mailwizz was built around a solid PHP framework [1], while Sendy is pure PHP.

[1] http://www.yiiframework.com/

So what's the value add here? As a user, how does the framework matter?

It does matter a lot since it brings a solid foundation to build on, and that foundation is well tested, gets regular updates and makes it easy to create a super extensible application.

Most of users that look for such self hosted solution will know that using a framework is better than "pure php" because they get well tested code.

The use of a framework Does not mean the code is better, i would argue the opposite, many a new dev learns on a framework and often doesn't know the underlying language, whereas choosing not to use a framework is usually a conscious decision based on evaluation of actual needs.

I was talking only on my behalf :)

Since the product is self hosted and comes with the source code, if you want, you can customize it, fix bugs yourself, write custom features for clients, write extensions to sell, etc.

If it's built on a solid framework, and you study the framework, you'll know where to look when you want to change a model, a controller, so on.

It appears to have tons more features. Do you have any experience with it? If so, what is your use-case?

Thank you!

I'm still testing it and it looks very solid. After going through the cod for a few hours, I'm pleasantly surprised.

One money saving feature: you can setup SES and Sparkpost, for instance, and configure it to send more emails from Sparkpost than through SES, that way you can save money using free 100k emails/month plan from Sparkpost.

I wish I found that before sendy

Me too. The Mailwizz guys are really good at coding and structuring things, but their marketing skills are not so good. I only found about it by searching for mail templates on codecanyon.

I use Mailwizz. It lacks the polish of MailChimp, but works well.

It is multi-tenant and you can have sub-accounts with their quotas.

You can even use it to roll your own SaaS with the included user management and billing features.

Mailwizz is active developed and the UI is going to change at some point too ;)

Hey man, thanks for Mailwizz, I'm loving it.

I believe you should invest in marketing, it's really hard to find about your product in the first place. All your competitors are weak, but they do seem to do better marketing.

Thank you, i agree with you on this one, will def. do something about this ;)