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Re:Show HN: Hyper_ – Simple and Secure Container Cloud by gnepzhao on Monday April 04, 2016 @02:44PM (#11424279)
Let me be more clear. The problem of VM is not virtualization (or hypervisor), the problem is "Machine". For a long time, we try to emulate a complete machine with a complete "OS" running atop. What Docker really changed is to make us realize that all we need is the app, not a full OS. Therefore Docker image is an app-centric package, nothing specific to Linux container. Yes, it runs with Linux container, but you can also launch it with a hypervisor in 100ms.

Shall we call hypervisor+kernel+Docker image VM? I don't think so. It never tries to give you a complete machine, neither a full OS. Personally I like "virtualized container". But the combination of these two words might be more confusing, given that whenever you see the word "container", you think of Linux container.

Re:Show HN: Hyper_ – Simple and Secure Container Cloud by dap on Monday April 04, 2016 @03:04PM (#11424461)
OS size is just one problem with Virtual Machines. (Much of the OS is idle unless explicitly used anyway.) Other significant problems include:

- inefficient use of resources resulting from functionality duplicated in both the hypervisor and the guest (e.g., two TCP stacks, two filesystem implementations, two schedulers, and so on). (That's why I asked about this in a separate comment.)

- inefficient use of resources resulting from the inability to dynamically share resources between VMs (e.g., memory and disk typically have to be statically allocated to VMs, instead of sharing a common pool the way processes within a single Unix-like system typically do).

- poor visibility from the hypervisor into the application (i.e., observability tools cannot typically cross the hardware-virtualization boundary).

That's just a partial list.

I think that's why you're seeing pushback from people insisting that these be called VMs rather than containers: they have all of the above downsides of VMs, even if the operating system surface area isn't that large.

[edited for formatting]

Re:Show HN: Hyper_ – Simple and Secure Container Cloud by Pyxl101 on Monday April 04, 2016 @03:01PM (#11424444)
Thank you for responding to clarify.

What parts of a machine do traditional data center VMs emulate that Hyper avoids?

What system functions normally supported by a guest OS will Hyper not need to support? (E.g., memory management, network stack?)