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Re:Developers don't build cheaper housing because we make it... by hinkley on Monday April 04, 2016 @01:04AM (#11419548)
The Japanese have been dealing with earthquakes for eons and the housing fashion from the previous era could still crush you like a bug if the pillars give out (those tile roofs are -heavy-).

I think there's a quite different lesson in these codes. What's the difference between software developers that don't have a Code and electricians or plumbers who do? Not all that much. Except that we get to spend a lot of time trying to talk people out of doing stuff using reason and logic. People who got the job they did instead of your job because they weren't quite so good at reason and logic.

Pull the sort of things we deal with every day on an electrician? Fuck you, I'm not doing that, it's not to code. Now cough up the time and materials to do it right, or we're done here. Don't like it? The next guy you call is going to tell you the exact same thing. Have a nice day.

Re:Developers don't build cheaper housing because we make it... by marcus_holmes on Monday April 04, 2016 @05:10AM (#11420375)
Yeah I'd love to have a Code I could point to.

"you might think all those tests are a waste of everyone's time and your money, but that's the Code so we gotta do them"

There'd be less programs written, and those programs would be more expensive. But we might finally start making a dent in the "80% of software projects fail" statistic that hasn't changed since the 60's.

Re:Developers don't build cheaper housing because we make it... by 3pt14159 on Monday April 04, 2016 @02:04AM (#11419702)
Careful with things like survivorship bias. Even as recently as the mid 1800s there was an earthquake that took out ton of buildings, temples, and dams in Nagano, Japan (Google Zenkōji earthquake).

But I do understand and partially agree with your primary point.

Re:Developers don't build cheaper housing because we make it... by mikekchar on Monday April 04, 2016 @02:23AM (#11419757)
I'm not sure I understand what the parent's point was, however I thought it would be interesting to point out that there are almost no old buildings in Japan. Especially for houses, you would be really hard pressed to find more than a handful of inhabited houses that are more than 30 years old in any given city. The Japanese fashion is to knock down the old house and build a new one in it's place. There is virtually no market for old houses (and, in fact, you will often get less money trying to sell land with a house on it than if you demolish the house yourself).

Of course there are lots of old temples and shrines but even those have often had every single piece replaced. I was really surprised a couple of years ago when one of the local shrines tore down their building completely and rebuilt it exactly the same!

Whether this has to do with earthquakes or not, I'm not entirely sure. My wife and I have been thinking of buying a house and I keep having to remind myself that I will lose money if I ultimately sell. Our current plan is to wait until we're a bit older and then buy a not-too-old used house at a discount ;-)

Re:Developers don't build cheaper housing because we make it... by rangibaby on Monday April 04, 2016 @03:06AM (#11419925)
What part of Japan do you live in? At least in Nagoya there is at least one "Showa" house per block. They are knocked down when their inhabitants (generally older people) stop living in them, but it's not hard to find them.

It was known that older houses were dangerous in earthquakes (I believe the safer building code dates from the 80s), but no one was really worried about it until the Kobe earthquake where most damage was borne by older buildings.

Re:Developers don't build cheaper housing because we make it... by mikekchar on Monday April 04, 2016 @03:40AM (#11420072)
I'm in Shizuoka. Possibly they are more sensitive due to overdue Tokai earthquake. I was actually living in one of the oldest buildings in my town and it was probably 50 years old. It was demolished 2 years ago.
Re:Developers don't build cheaper housing because we make it... by hinkley on Monday April 04, 2016 @11:11AM (#11422457)
From what I understand, the central pillar supporting many of those temples is reaching end of life, after 5-900 years depending on conditions. So you have to disassemble it to rebuild due to the heavy but rational reliance on the strength of the old growth timbers.
Re:Developers don't build cheaper housing because we make it... by douche on Monday April 04, 2016 @07:16AM (#11420912)
Damn near the whole country was burned flat in 44/45, so there's that...
Re:Developers don't build cheaper housing because we make it... by hinkley on Monday April 04, 2016 @11:08AM (#11422422)
I only meant that even among people who know how to build crazy well, accidents still happen. But that doesn't negate the need for standards of construction.
Re:Developers don't build cheaper housing because we make it... by rangibaby on Monday April 04, 2016 @03:08AM (#11419937)
The heavy tile roofs were for protection from typhoons, which are much more common than "oh fuck"-level earthquakes.
Re:Developers don't build cheaper housing because we make it... by hinkley on Monday April 04, 2016 @11:12AM (#11422473)
Oh! That makes sense now. Thanks.