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Re:Welcome to the Future: Middle-Class Housing Projects by jedberg on Saturday April 02, 2016 @05:58PM (#11413690)
Palo Alto is utterly stupid, and here's why: The last time a multi-unit building (ie. Apartments) were built in PA was in the 70s. They haven't approved one since, despite many hundreds of applications to build such things since then.

The middle class don't need subsidies, they need affordable housing. The best way to get that is to let people build affordable housing.

It's the same as with SF -- the city won't let people build to meet demand. You don't get to complain about the high price and then not let someone who wants to fix it actually fix it.

Re:Welcome to the Future: Middle-Class Housing Projects by maxsilver on Saturday April 02, 2016 @08:36PM (#11414303)
>the best way to get that is to let people build affordable housing.

Can you name an example of where this actually happens? I've never seen affordable housing built unless it was mandated by law or had some sort of government subsidy.

Even out here in tiny flyover midwest cities, where developers have no restrictions of any kind , there's no affordable housing being built that isn't government mandated or subsidized.

Lots of new developments, all 100% luxury apartments, or luxury homes. I wish it was as simple as "let them build it", but experience has taught me that if you let developers "just build", the only thing they ever build is impossibly expensive luxury units.

Re:Welcome to the Future: Middle-Class Housing Projects by jedberg on Saturday April 02, 2016 @09:01PM (#11414401)
I meant that when supply meets demand, all housing will be affordable.

But even barring that, you can still do it with only limited mandates. You can put a limit on a property that says the rent can only be X% of the median, and as long as it's possible to build housing for that price, someone will build it and make a profit on it.

One example of no restrictions working out is (was) the city of Berkeley. In 1997 they got rid of rent control. All of a sudden, tons of new buildings went up, and at first rents were very high, but then they stabilized. It all got ruined in the last year when people in SF started to move to Berkeley in droves and shove out the students, but that's really SFs fault, not Berkeley's.

Re:Welcome to the Future: Middle-Class Housing Projects by Balgair on Saturday April 02, 2016 @07:19PM (#11414054)
I've related this story before on HN, but it's good enough to share:

When I went and saw the new Wrath of Khan with my brother (now in Portland, at the time he was the Inner Richmond in SF), he surprised me when he told me what was most fantastic to him about the movie. It was not the space aliens, the faster than light travel, the giant spaceships, Cumberbatch's acting, no. To him, the most fantastic part was that there were highrises in SF. Space monsters? Sure. A sensible housing board? Woah buddy, you just crashed my suspension of disbelief!

Re:Welcome to the Future: Middle-Class Housing Projects by randycupertino on Saturday April 02, 2016 @07:55PM (#11414170)
Palo Alto is ridiculous. I saw firsthand how hard the residents went to the mattresses to protest a 17-unit senior housing development because they were worried about "increased urbanization." Jerks.
Re:Welcome to the Future: Middle-Class Housing Projects by colordrops on Saturday April 02, 2016 @09:06PM (#11414419)
I doubt the people who are complaining that they can't afford housing are the same people who prevent multi-unit buildings from being built.