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Re:Ubuntu on Windows by city41 on Wednesday March 30, 2016 @11:28PM (#11394793)
I think a key point that is being missed here is most of the people excited about this probably run OSX, not Linux. OSX has long been the "'Linux' for people who don't really want to run Linux" (not really meant as an insult, I'm typing this from OSX right now).

Apple is just as proprietary, commercial and anti-competitive as Microsoft here.

FWIW, this excites me because it potentially means I can go from two machines to one, and always have IE/Edge at my fingertips. It will greatly improve my dev workflow if it pans out like people are hoping it does.

Re:Ubuntu on Windows by disagree1_ on Thursday March 31, 2016 @04:06AM (#11395667)
> Apple is just as proprietary, commercial and anti-competitive as Microsoft here.

I respectfully disagree. The OSX kernel XNU is open source, as are a ton of its components. That's huge in a lot of situations. Some things - not a lot, granted, but some, like FreeBSD's C++ stack and compiler - are even upstreamed back to mainstream open source projects by Apple employees.

Re:Ubuntu on Windows by dr_zoidberg on Thursday March 31, 2016 @11:09AM (#11397715)
While not open source, I've seen parts of the windows source (never really had the time to read it in full detail) in my work, most probably coming from the MS vs EC situation some years back[0]. Yes, there are still hidden parts (docs mostly, I recall my friends doing memory forensics research had a "fun" time to get information on IP connection structures for example), but it's not as secretive as many people think it is.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp_v_Commission#Si...

Re:Ubuntu on Windows by cmiles74 on Thursday March 31, 2016 @10:45AM (#11397552)
I agree that Apple is much more pragmatic right now. IMHO Microsoft is looking to emulate Apple in this regard: leverage open source when it makes sense, release code back to open source projects when it makes sense.
Re:Ubuntu on Windows by akerro on Thursday March 31, 2016 @04:40AM (#11395801)
>That's huge in a lot of situations. Some things - not a lot, granted, but some, like FreeBSD's C++ stack and compiler - are even upstreamed back to mainstream open source projects by Apple employees.

^ Citation need.

Re:Ubuntu on Windows by creshal on Thursday March 31, 2016 @04:49AM (#11395830)
Clang/LLVM?
Re:Ubuntu on Windows by cyphar on Friday April 01, 2016 @11:03PM (#11410036)
The joke (I think) being that Apple doesn't upstream a lot of code.
Re:Ubuntu on Windows by groundCode on Thursday March 31, 2016 @03:33AM (#11395568)
Pretty much this - it's going to make my life as a developer easier. Having Linux right there when I'm working on an Microsoft platform will remove a clunk in my user experience of having a VM open all the time for when I want to drop into Linux.
Re:Ubuntu on Windows by partycoder on Thursday March 31, 2016 @04:28AM (#11395751)
Apple has contributed to key open source projects such as LLVM and WebKit. They have also open sourced Swift.

They have identified the core of their business and they feel comfortable there. They get a 30% royalty for each App Store transaction, they make large profits selling iPhones and Macs. They monetize their software indirectly as a part of a larger end-to-end solution.

Microsoft during their monopolic era was much more beyond that, they were going for all.

Re:Ubuntu on Windows by hydromet on Thursday March 31, 2016 @06:04AM (#11396051)
> Microsoft during their monopolic era was much more beyond that, they were going for all.

Yes, absolutely. Bill Gates was not a "nice" man. These days many people fawn over him "oh he's so lovey dovey, he's going to save the world with all his money as a philanthropist". LOL -- how many have actually sat at the same table (behind closed doors) with Billy boy pounding the table telling everyone attending (ISPs, major telecoms) how Microsoft was going to run the show, run the world. Microsoft is a ruthless company. Satya Nadella was part of this ruthless culture when he first joined MSFT 25 years ago. Why would the ruthless culture of Microsoft suddenly change because they've figured out how to peg Ubuntu Linux to the kernel? Ever hear of a Trojan Horse? This announcement today sure smells like horse manure.

Re:Ubuntu on Windows by wmccullough on Thursday March 31, 2016 @08:25AM (#11396623)
Explain to me how it could be a Trojan horse when it's their own OS that they are modifying? They aren't exactly going in and sabotaging the Linux kernel project here...

There's also a logical fallacy that because Nadella worked for MS for the past twenty five years, he's as power hungry as Gates. This reeks of the type of elitist nonsense the keeps people from wanting to adopt Linux.

EDIT: Removed insult, came with arguments instead.

Re:Ubuntu on Windows by timpattinson on Monday April 04, 2016 @08:09AM (#11421197)
Re:Ubuntu on Windows by smitherfield on Thursday March 31, 2016 @11:10AM (#11397730)
Apple is a hardware company while Microsoft is a software company.
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Re:Ubuntu on Windows by creshal on Thursday March 31, 2016 @04:21AM (#11395718)
> The big difference is that Apple actually doesn't fk their users in the ass.

Like with their SMB support? When, given the choice of complying with the GPL or re-writing an SMB client from scratch, Apple chose the latter and subjected users to utterly broken SMB support for several releases just so they did not have to open source their pitiful collection of patches?

Re:Ubuntu on Windows by recursive on Thursday March 31, 2016 @04:33AM (#11395775)
Apple is pretty user-hostile. Moreso than MS in my estimation. Try changing the battery in your iphone, or getting music on it without using itunes.
Re:Ubuntu on Windows by JoeAltmaier on Thursday March 31, 2016 @11:08AM (#11397706)
Sure. But aren't we past changing batteries? They're less an issue than changing screens these days. And screens have never been easily replaceable. Its just us old folks who expect the battery to come out.
Re:Ubuntu on Windows by recursive on Thursday March 31, 2016 @11:47AM (#11397997)
Those of us that aren't drinking the apple kool aid aren't past changing batteries. And I'm old. Perhaps Apple is just old-person-hostile, which amounts to about the same thing for me.
Re:Ubuntu on Windows by creshal on Thursday March 31, 2016 @05:24AM (#11395935)
> Try changing the battery in your iphone

Try changing the battery in your Lumia.

Re:Ubuntu on Windows by johnchristopher on Thursday March 31, 2016 @07:07AM (#11396264)
My Lumia 640 has replaceable battery. It might be a windows phone though.
Re:Ubuntu on Windows by creshal on Thursday March 31, 2016 @11:06AM (#11397699)
Hah! You're right. Microsoft's own devices actually do all have replaceable batteries, only (most of) the older Nokia-branded Lumias have soldered batteries.
Re:Ubuntu on Windows by toxican on Thursday March 31, 2016 @08:43AM (#11396700)
And I'll try changing it in my Nexus. We're at the point where the inability to change your battery is pretty common place on flagship phones.
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Re:Ubuntu on Windows by recursive on Thursday March 31, 2016 @11:48AM (#11398003)
Serious.
Re:Ubuntu on Windows by eertami on Thursday March 31, 2016 @04:53AM (#11395838)
>I will happily keep on paying high price for the Apple products in the future too as long as all of my personal data is not being broadcasted

Yeah I'm sure all those celebs that had all their nude photos stolen from icloud would totally agree that Apple takes great care with personal data.

Are you trying to justify needlessly spending 600$ on a phone every year? That's your prerogative, you don't have to convince strangers on the internet.

Re:Ubuntu on Windows by rdsnsca on Thursday March 31, 2016 @06:42AM (#11396159)
Apples security was not breached, those celebrities fell for a phishing scam.
Re:Ubuntu on Windows by riotdash on Thursday March 31, 2016 @05:05AM (#11395872)
"Yeah I'm sure all those celebs that had all their nude photos stolen from icloud would totally agree that Apple takes great care with personal data."

All systems have had and still have security flaws. There is a world of difference between having a unknown vulnerability (which affects and will affect all platforms) and intentionally spying on users and stealing their information.

Re:Ubuntu on Windows by nxzero on Thursday March 31, 2016 @05:47AM (#11395999)
All systems have flaws at some point, but not all systems equal in terms of exploitable value for the effort.