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Re:Follow the money: Apple vs. the FBI by ThomPete on Monday March 28, 2016 @04:23PM (#11377082)
Thats not what Fractional Reserve Banking is.

It's not "Money from the bank" but allowed debt creation backed by the central banks beyond

This is the important part of the quote which you left out.

"fractional-reserve banking permits the money supply to grow beyond the amount of the underlying reserves of base money"

Nothing in that talks about limiting it within their deposits. If that was the case then we wouldn't have had any issues at all since all banks did with the sub-prime crisis was creating debt without any actual "real money" being used as base for the loans.

If they raised the reserve requirement they could not lend out as much but still more than they have because again it's not actually money but debt. It's just that they now have much harder restrictions on the ratio.

Not a single dollar is moved from somewhere else in the bank to the lendee. It's literally just debt created.

Thats at least how I have understood it and maybe we are saying the same thing just focusing on different parts.

The point really is that banks do not actually move money they have to your account but instead create debt on your account without anything else is affected.

Not sure how else to think of it.

Re:Follow the money: Apple vs. the FBI by stretchwithme on Monday March 28, 2016 @04:41PM (#11377221)
Here's what the Fed says:

"The amount of reserves that a depository institution must hold against specified deposit liabilities."

http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/reform_glossary.htm

And here's a table showing the exact percentages of DEPOSIT liabilities:

https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/reservereq.htm...

It doesn't get more definitive than that. And if it were a multiplier, how much can a bank lend out if they have less than $15 million in deposits? Infinity?

Re:Follow the money: Apple vs. the FBI by ThomPete on Monday March 28, 2016 @07:03PM (#11378177)
A bank that doesn't loan out more than it has is not involved in FRB.

FRS is the act of central banks allowing banks to add money on accounts up to the ratio amount.

In other words. Banks can create money "out of the blue" since most money are just numbers and not actual cash.

Lending out money this way is not affecting any other accounts. No money is being taken from somewhere and put into the lendees account. Instead banks are allowed to create the loan which is debt, not to the bank but to the lendee. To the bank this is an asset to the lendee this is debt.

In other words the bank have more money after they give the loan not less.

It doesn't get much clearer hat than that IMO.

Re:Follow the money: Apple vs. the FBI by stretchwithme on Tuesday March 29, 2016 @08:23PM (#11386093)
I know you think it works that way. But can you point to any authoritative evidence that it works that way?

A simple statement on a Federal Reserve web site stating that such a bank has to keep deposits and that the loan comes from new money created should be sufficient.

Re:Follow the money: Apple vs. the FBI by fauigerzigerk on Monday March 28, 2016 @05:41PM (#11377641)
"fractional-reserve banking permits the money supply to grow beyond the amount of the underlying reserves of base money"

I think you misunderstand the meaning of that quote. The money supply doesn't grow beyond the amount of underlying reserves because an individual bank lends out more than it has in deposits (and other funds). The multiplier is the result of this cascade: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional-reserve_banking#Exa...