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Re:Make elites compete: Why the 1% earn so much and what to ... by hacknat on Saturday March 26, 2016 @11:23AM (#11365970)
I'm actually one of the people who think that the top 0.001% are fine. People like Buffett and Gates own valuable companies. There's not much we can do to change income inequality there, largely because it's not income, it's someone's private property.

I think the truly disgusting income inequality is at the top 0.01-0.001%. The overpaid CEOs who make absurd amounts of guaranteed cash. We have a tax code that absolutely incentivizes CEOs to look out for their salaries and one time cash bonuses rather than any stock grants they get.

We used to have a tax code that favored capital gains in the extreme, but now we overly favor income. Which would your rather have? A grant of 10 million dollars in a volatile asset that has a one year lock out period and a 20% haircut, or a guaranteed 10 million dollars with no lock out and an effective haircut of ~40%. You're losing only 20% of the money as a guarantee. Most people seem to be interested in the latter option.

Whenever we have debates about raising capital gains tax Republicans rightly point out that capital gains tax doesn't actually generate that much revenue for the US government. They're right, but that's insane, given how much wealth we generate every year.

I'm all for paying people well, but make them earn it!

Re:Make elites compete: Why the 1% earn so much and what to ... by RockyMcNuts on Saturday March 26, 2016 @12:05PM (#11366130)
The problem is, if you make all your income from investing, via dividends and capital gains, you pay 15% tax on it.

The 'wedge' on the first dollar earned by a minimum wage worker is 15.3%.

And then don't get me started on the deductions, Mitt Romney's IRA etc. that mean those guys can don't even pay the 15%.

I don't think your math adds up...in NYC a huge cash bonus gets taxed at > 50% combined Fed, state and local. The CEO will always take something that's structured as future capital gain, not in 1 year, but whenever he decides to cash out.

The tax system and rent seeking in this country is a disgrace.

Re:Make elites compete: Why the 1% earn so much and what to ... by encoderer on Saturday March 26, 2016 @01:55PM (#11366629)
Minimum wage workers aren't paying any taxes after standard deduction and exemption.

Capital gains is now 20%.

Re:Make elites compete: Why the 1% earn so much and what to ... by RockyMcNuts on Sunday March 27, 2016 @10:02PM (#11372333)
fair enough, the top bracket (over $400,000) now pays 20% on long-term capital gains and dividends.

http://www.fool.com/retirement/general/2015/12/14/long-term-...

the idea that minimum wage earners aren't paying taxes is a nonsensical talking point with no basis in reality. It only works if you disregard FICA, which is economically unjustifiable and not done in other contexts (like quantifying big government's size and tax bite). The bottom line is there is a 15.3% wedge between what the minimum wage employer pays and what the employee receives, and that's what has economic impact. The EITC offsets a part of the wedge, but only a part of it.

Re:Make elites compete: Why the 1% earn so much and what to ... by AJ007 on Saturday March 26, 2016 @12:45PM (#11366310)
This Planet Money podcast is worth listening to, "When CEO Pay Exploded." A good exercise in the law of unintended consequences: http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2016/02/05/465747726/-682-...
Re:Make elites compete: Why the 1% earn so much and what to ... by tamana on Saturday March 26, 2016 @01:12PM (#11366436)
What's the difference between income and private property? Nothing relevant here. Owning stock is just a ticket to future income, a share of wealth created by employees. Same as a hired CEO payment.